Dayak parang

Mytribalworld · 20th July 2007, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Thanks for addition info about Kutai mandau, but i don't think Arjan has said he thought mine was from there.
I wish there were some different angles on the photos of your example Arjan, but i can now see on the top the same style of opened mouth creature that is on mine so now that is 2 motifs in common between these hilts. There definitely seem to be from the same area to me. I wonder if the museum you found it in has any more information of were it was collected?

Here some more pics.

David · 20th July 2007, 06:23 PM

Thanks again Arjan. I will consider this piece as probably from the Bukit tribe until more info comes my way?

One more stylistic motif in common with these two hilts would be that "joint" in the carving that looks somewhat like a nut & bolt viewed from the top. I have never seen this on mandau hilts before either. All very interesting stuff for me. Now, if we can only figure out what these different motifs actually represent.

Mytribalworld · 22nd July 2007, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Thanks again Arjan. I will consider this piece as probably from the Bukit tribe until more info comes my way?

One more stylistic motif in common with these two hilts would be that "joint" in the carving that looks somewhat like a nut & bolt viewed from the top. I have never seen this on mandau hilts before either. All very interesting stuff for me. Now, if we can only figure out what these different motifs actually represent.

I think indeed we can cassify this as " possible Bukit mandau"....
is it possible to show the "neck"?

David · 23rd July 2007, 01:45 AM

I owe you all better pics and promise i will get to it soon. I am a new home owner

and between the move and home repairs (spent 10 hrs. re-tiling the kitchen floor yesterday

) i just haven't had time to re-photograph this piece. Hopefully this week i can find the time.
By "neck" do you mean the base of the blade where it enters the hilt or the "neck" of the hilt itself?

Mytribalworld · 23rd July 2007, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I owe you all better pics and promise i will get to it soon. I am a new home owner

and between the move and home repairs (spent 10 hrs. re-tiling the kitchen floor yesterday

) i just haven't had time to re-photograph this piece. Hopefully this week i can find the time.
By "neck" do you mean the base of the blade where it enters the hilt or the "neck" of the hilt itself?

The back of the hilt, mostly there's a motif on it.But don't hurry,the kitchen is an important piece of the house!

Dajak · 29th July 2007, 09:05 PM

Hi I don t think it is an mandau from the buket .

I have here an bamboo design from the Bahau people from the above Mahakam erea this was collected between 1898 and 1899 bij W. O. J . Nieuwenhuis.

Thes can be read in the magazine Nederlandsch-Indie oud en nieuw
1925 10 e jaargang afl 3 juli .

So I think it is from the Mahakam erea .

Ben

David · 30th July 2007, 04:10 AM

Ben, i see the mirrorred "S" on your example, but it doesn't explaain to me why you don't think my mandau is Buket. It merely shows that another region also used the same motif. I see more motifs in common with Arjan's examples. I am not fully convinced of either origin, but as the examples fall up to now i would still be more inclined towards the Buket origins. I would love to hear why you think this is not possible.

29th July 2007, 09:05 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi I don t think it is an mandau from the buket . I have here an bamboo design from the Bahau people from the above Mahakam erea this was collected between 1898 and 1899 bij W. O. J . Nieuwenhuis. Thes can be read in the magazine Nederlandsch-Indie oud en nieuw 1925 10 e jaargang afl 3 juli . So I think it is from the Mahakam erea . Ben Attached Images

20th July 2007, 06:23 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,219	Thanks again Arjan. I will consider this piece as probably from the Bukit tribe until more info comes my way? One more stylistic motif in common with these two hilts would be that "joint" in the carving that looks somewhat like a nut & bolt viewed from the top. I have never seen this on mandau hilts before either. All very interesting stuff for me. Now, if we can only figure out what these different motifs actually represent.

23rd July 2007, 01:45 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,219	I owe you all better pics and promise i will get to it soon. I am a new home owner and between the move and home repairs (spent 10 hrs. re-tiling the kitchen floor yesterday ) i just haven't had time to re-photograph this piece. Hopefully this week i can find the time. By "neck" do you mean the base of the blade where it enters the hilt or the "neck" of the hilt itself?

30th July 2007, 04:10 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,219	Ben, i see the mirrorred "S" on your example, but it doesn't explaain to me why you don't think my mandau is Buket. It merely shows that another region also used the same motif. I see more motifs in common with Arjan's examples. I am not fully convinced of either origin, but as the examples fall up to now i would still be more inclined towards the Buket origins. I would love to hear why you think this is not possible.