Huge Moro kris

kai · 19th July 2007, 09:52 PM

Hello Flavio,

I'm speaking of the carvings at the asymmetrical base of the kris blade (I'm trying to avoid the word "greneng"): Usually, you see the same or very similar motifs along both "edges"...

Regards,
Kai

Flavio · 20th July 2007, 10:30 AM

Ah, yes Kai, now I understand, you mean the file works on the "head" of the "elefant" and the "greneng" area

. Yeah, it's unusual to see different kind of decoration

Rick · 20th July 2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Flavio,

I'm speaking of the carvings at the asymmetrical base of the kris blade (I'm trying to avoid the word "greneng"): Usually, you see the same or very similar motifs along both "edges"...

Regards,
Kai

Agreed, a bit unusual that there is no reflection of the style carried over.

It's a shame there is no Moro term (that I know of) to substitute for the word greneng .

Flavio, will you etch this piece ?

Bill · 20th July 2007, 05:39 PM

Flavio, will you etch this piece ?[/QUOTE]
Have a feeling this blade won't etch. Have a couple of these large Mindanao fighting kriss; they most likely were re-cycled steel. It looks like a rough grit sandpaper was used to clean the blade. I'm also cautious about the hilt & fitting. While hilts from Mindanao often have "knob" hilts, all the big large ones I've seen had "horse's hoof". The fitting looks old but looks like it was cut to fit for the clamp. I'd just use some vineger on the blade to see if it will etch, if nothing else it will take some of the shine off.

Flavio · 20th July 2007, 07:07 PM

Hello Rick, I'm quite undecided to etch the blade. I can see some lamination in the sunlight, so the blade is not monosteel, but I really like also this shiny finish, so I don't know

Bill I think that the handle is original to the blade: the ferrule is casting brass and at some point of its life was broken and not cut to re-fit, at least it's wat I can see. Also the dimension of the handle is good for the huge blade, thank you

kai · 21st July 2007, 12:30 AM

Hello Flavio,

I was also going to suggest etching.

Leaving the a Moro blade in high polish would be akin to treating a genuine nihonto with warangan...

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 21st July 2007, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

Hello Rick, I'm quite undecided to etch the blade. I can see some lamination in the sunlight, so the blade is not monosteel, but I really like also this shiny finish, so I don't know

Bill I think that the handle is original to the blade: the ferrule is casting brass and at some point of its life was broken and not cut to re-fit, at least it's wat I can see. Also the dimension of the handle is good for the huge blade, thank you

Hi Flavio,

If you can see the lamination in the blade as it is and you like the polish I think you should go with your instincts; after all the sword is yours .

Flavio · 21st July 2007, 01:36 PM

Hello Rick and Kai, yes I will try an etching, since I have also another Moro kris that needs an etching and I will work on both.... I change idea easily

Flavio · 21st July 2007, 08:20 PM

Well, I have etched the blade and maybe Bill is right

seems monosteel, with hardened edges, but also there is a thin line in the middle of the blade (that is not the central rib) that maybe is still a sign of a very simple lamination? Could you see this thin line in the middle of the blade? ah, another thing: seems that for the first third of the blade (from handle) is simple monosteel and than start the hardened edges (the "working" part of the blade)

The pictures are very bad, sorry

21st July 2007, 08:20 PM	#9
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Well, I have etched the blade and maybe Bill is right seems monosteel, with hardened edges, but also there is a thin line in the middle of the blade (that is not the central rib) that maybe is still a sign of a very simple lamination? Could you see this thin line in the middle of the blade? ah, another thing: seems that for the first third of the blade (from handle) is simple monosteel and than start the hardened edges (the "working" part of the blade) The pictures are very bad, sorry Attached Images

19th July 2007, 09:52 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Flavio, I'm speaking of the carvings at the asymmetrical base of the kris blade (I'm trying to avoid the word "greneng"): Usually, you see the same or very similar motifs along both "edges"... Regards, Kai

20th July 2007, 10:30 AM	#2
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Ah, yes Kai, now I understand, you mean the file works on the "head" of the "elefant" and the "greneng" area . Yeah, it's unusual to see different kind of decoration

20th July 2007, 05:39 PM	#4
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Flavio, will you etch this piece ?[/QUOTE] Have a feeling this blade won't etch. Have a couple of these large Mindanao fighting kriss; they most likely were re-cycled steel. It looks like a rough grit sandpaper was used to clean the blade. I'm also cautious about the hilt & fitting. While hilts from Mindanao often have "knob" hilts, all the big large ones I've seen had "horse's hoof". The fitting looks old but looks like it was cut to fit for the clamp. I'd just use some vineger on the blade to see if it will etch, if nothing else it will take some of the shine off.

20th July 2007, 07:07 PM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Rick, I'm quite undecided to etch the blade. I can see some lamination in the sunlight, so the blade is not monosteel, but I really like also this shiny finish, so I don't know Bill I think that the handle is original to the blade: the ferrule is casting brass and at some point of its life was broken and not cut to re-fit, at least it's wat I can see. Also the dimension of the handle is good for the huge blade, thank you

21st July 2007, 12:30 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Flavio, I was also going to suggest etching. Leaving the a Moro blade in high polish would be akin to treating a genuine nihonto with warangan... Regards, Kai

21st July 2007, 01:36 PM	#8
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Rick and Kai, yes I will try an etching, since I have also another Moro kris that needs an etching and I will work on both.... I change idea easily