Between Solo and Yogya

ganjawulung · 14th July 2007, 06:07 AM

Dear All,
These are more pictures of a Yogyanese sheath, made of timoho wood. The pelet (motive of wood) is "ngingrim". The type of sheath is "branggah" with wanda Hamengku Buwanan, and the hilt is made of "tayuman" wood. Kinds of tayuman trees also grown by the gardens affairs dept of Jakarta for greening the capital city's street..

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 14th July 2007, 06:19 AM

And this is a new warangka, Ladrang Solo -- pilisium (filicium) wood -- made by mas plompong from Bekonang, Solo. According to mas plompong, the pilisum wood was processed after it became warangka. It was lubricated with certain liquid (traditional, or chemical) in order to make it chatoyant...

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 15th July 2007, 05:56 AM

Hi All,
Another example of wood texture. Forest mango wood (I don't know the latin name of this kind of mango), sometimes have good texture too. But no chatoyance, event if it is processed like you processed the kemuning, trembalo, kenari and pilisium wood.

Please see the example of the forest mango's texture in this "cis" (sharp weapon, usually put in a old walking stick). The forest mango's fruit is smaller, very sour, and the trees are usually robust...

Ganjawulung

A. G. Maisey · 15th July 2007, 06:39 AM

These posts on various woods are quite interesting, Pak Ganja, but I have a question for you:- can you please advise your source for the name of the weapon shown in your most recent post, as "cis" ?

Thank you.

PenangsangII · 16th July 2007, 03:37 AM

Salam,

Pak Ganja, I have never come across any weapon called "cis", pls elaborate. From the visual alone, I suspect that the "cis" is equivalent to tempius or pedang sodok. The dressing (hilt & scabbard) strongly resembles Chinese jian?
It was said that during Singhasari & Majapahit times, there were a lot of mingling between the Chinese / Monggols & the Javanese.

ganjawulung · 16th July 2007, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

These posts on various woods are quite interesting, Pak Ganja, but I have a question for you:- can you please advise your source for the name of the weapon shown in your most recent post, as "cis" ?

Thank you.

Dear Alan,
I appreciate very much to your correctness... Cis, unfortunately, I follow to call it such name just based on the "ex owner". I have checked the name of such kind of "sharp point of long spear" or "sharp point of two edged weapon" in keris books, ensiklopedi, but didn't find any clue. What the reality was, the original sheath of this weapon was a broken old wooden walking stick.

Tempius? (Please see the picture of Mr Lalu Djelenga's book). Not exactly tempius, because this weapon is flat, thin, and has two edges. Or may be Lombok "sendirung" (the other picture)? Neither. Sendirung has a "methuk" like tombak at the base...

What is your suggestion?

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 16th July 2007, 04:32 AM

This is more pictures of the "long sharp two edged weapon"...

Ganjawulung

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2007, 04:57 AM

Here is an image of what I know as a cis.

There is considerable variation in form, but they all resemble either an angkus, or a harpoon.

Is this blade ovoid in cross section, or triangular?

How has the tang been formed?

14th July 2007, 06:07 AM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Branggah Timoho Dear All, These are more pictures of a Yogyanese sheath, made of timoho wood. The pelet (motive of wood) is "ngingrim". The type of sheath is "branggah" with wanda Hamengku Buwanan, and the hilt is made of "tayuman" wood. Kinds of tayuman trees also grown by the gardens affairs dept of Jakarta for greening the capital city's street.. Ganjawulung Attached Images

14th July 2007, 06:19 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Ladrang Pilisium And this is a new warangka, Ladrang Solo -- pilisium (filicium) wood -- made by mas plompong from Bekonang, Solo. According to mas plompong, the pilisum wood was processed after it became warangka. It was lubricated with certain liquid (traditional, or chemical) in order to make it chatoyant... Ganjawulung Attached Images

15th July 2007, 05:56 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Forest Mango Hi All, Another example of wood texture. Forest mango wood (I don't know the latin name of this kind of mango), sometimes have good texture too. But no chatoyance, event if it is processed like you processed the kemuning, trembalo, kenari and pilisium wood. Please see the example of the forest mango's texture in this "cis" (sharp weapon, usually put in a old walking stick). The forest mango's fruit is smaller, very sour, and the trees are usually robust... Ganjawulung Attached Images

16th July 2007, 04:32 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	This is more pictures of the "long sharp two edged weapon"... Ganjawulung Attached Images

16th July 2007, 04:57 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Here is an image of what I know as a cis. There is considerable variation in form, but they all resemble either an angkus, or a harpoon. Is this blade ovoid in cross section, or triangular? How has the tang been formed? Attached Images

15th July 2007, 06:39 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	These posts on various woods are quite interesting, Pak Ganja, but I have a question for you:- can you please advise your source for the name of the weapon shown in your most recent post, as "cis" ? Thank you.

16th July 2007, 03:37 AM	#5
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Salam, Pak Ganja, I have never come across any weapon called "cis", pls elaborate. From the visual alone, I suspect that the "cis" is equivalent to tempius or pedang sodok. The dressing (hilt & scabbard) strongly resembles Chinese jian? It was said that during Singhasari & Majapahit times, there were a lot of mingling between the Chinese / Monggols & the Javanese.