Origin of a knife / dagger?

Rick · 6th March 2005, 06:23 PM

Not a problem Mike , really !

I think the piece looks Philippine .
The peened tang and washer is a Philippine touch .
The pommel is unusual though .
Almost looks like a recycled spear blade .

Battara · 6th March 2005, 06:42 PM

If it is PI, it has a strong Spanish flair. It could also be Mediterranean coast of Spain.

Conogre · 6th March 2005, 08:48 PM

I don't recall seeing to mqny dagger style pieces out of the Philippines that had heavily hand cast bronze hilts, at least the northern islands, and it seems uncharacteristic for the southern.
I do see your point about the peened over tang though and it's hard to tell juust from the photo.
It was one of those that I passed up, came back too, passed up....you know how it goes. **grin**
Thanks for the thoughts though, and I'm still curious, which is somewhat nice as it keeps you digging and digging rather than just tossing it aside and forgetting it....it does me, anyways.
Mike

Federico · 6th March 2005, 11:34 PM

If this piece is Philippine, I would guess that it would have to be an Illustrado/Katipunan knife. The quality, and European flare are very common in this era with these people, and most of them had the money to blow on such pieces. Though the casting makes me wonder about a PI origin. Stuff during the Katipunan era would have brazed bands. Like Battara, I would not be surprised with a Spanish or other Meditteranean origin.

6th March 2005, 06:23 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Not a problem Mike , really ! I think the piece looks Philippine . The peened tang and washer is a Philippine touch . The pommel is unusual though . Almost looks like a recycled spear blade .

6th March 2005, 06:42 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	If it is PI, it has a strong Spanish flair. It could also be Mediterranean coast of Spain.

6th March 2005, 08:48 PM	#3
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	I don't recall seeing to mqny dagger style pieces out of the Philippines that had heavily hand cast bronze hilts, at least the northern islands, and it seems uncharacteristic for the southern. I do see your point about the peened over tang though and it's hard to tell juust from the photo. It was one of those that I passed up, came back too, passed up....you know how it goes. grin Thanks for the thoughts though, and I'm still curious, which is somewhat nice as it keeps you digging and digging rather than just tossing it aside and forgetting it....it does me, anyways. Mike

6th March 2005, 11:34 PM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	If this piece is Philippine, I would guess that it would have to be an Illustrado/Katipunan knife. The quality, and European flare are very common in this era with these people, and most of them had the money to blow on such pieces. Though the casting makes me wonder about a PI origin. Stuff during the Katipunan era would have brazed bands. Like Battara, I would not be surprised with a Spanish or other Meditteranean origin.