Balinese Keris Help

Battara · 6th March 2005, 12:18 PM

I would say with David that silver plated brass is involved. Both keris hilts look silver plated brass or white brass to me and newer. Nice work. The sheath of the first might very well be silver.

Jacob · 6th March 2005, 04:13 PM

Both hilts do have greenish (like corroded copper) residue in recesses, more visible on the second. Does it mean they are both modern repros?

There is a balinese keris offered on e-bay right now:

(deleted , active auction)

The hilt looks like a combination Cecanginan and Gerantiman. Is it modern also?

Alam Shah · 6th March 2005, 04:59 PM

Whoa! Jacob...forum rules, no posting of active auction item...

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Jacob · 6th March 2005, 05:34 PM

Sorry, I'm new here. Is it legal to post pictures from the active item without the link?

Battara · 6th March 2005, 06:40 PM

They are still making keris there. Repros? - yes and real modern ones too. I think yours are not repros but modern ones. Repros are for tourists and are obvious in their horrible quality. Yours are not for the tourists and seem to be better crafted.

Regarding posting pics, it is better to post pics of "dead" auctions.

nechesh · 6th March 2005, 08:04 PM

As Jose points out, the distinction between modern and repro can sometimes be a tricky one. One must consider that while certainly at a wanning point, the keris is still a living art form. I tend to agree that your first hilt is perhaps modern, but not what i would call a repro. The second is of a lesser quality.
These hilt are both in a very traditional form, but there are neither Cecanginan nor Gerantiman nor a combination of the two. I believe these are Bayu hilts, a representation of the god of wind.

Andrew · 7th March 2005, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob

Sorry, I'm new here. Is it legal to post pictures from the active item without the link?

Hi Jacob. As Battara points out, it is better to wait for an auction to end before linking it or referencing it. However, photos can be posted if no auction reference is evident.

You might want to read this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4

Welcome to the forum.

Rick · 7th March 2005, 04:01 PM

Might Jacob's ukiran be a Balinese Ho Tai form ?

Jacob · 9th March 2005, 04:33 PM

Now that the auction is over and it's legal to post: has anyone
seen a hilt like this before (combination Cecanginan and Gerantiman).

6th March 2005, 04:13 PM	#2
Jacob Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14	Both hilts do have greenish (like corroded copper) residue in recesses, more visible on the second. Does it mean they are both modern repros? There is a balinese keris offered on e-bay right now: (deleted , active auction) The hilt looks like a combination Cecanginan and Gerantiman. Is it modern also? Last edited by Rick; 6th March 2005 at 05:17 PM.

7th March 2005, 04:01 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,288	Maybe It's A Stretch Might Jacob's ukiran be a Balinese Ho Tai form ? Attached Images

9th March 2005, 04:33 PM	#9
Jacob Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14	Now that the auction is over and it's legal to post: has anyone seen a hilt like this before (combination Cecanginan and Gerantiman). Attached Images

6th March 2005, 12:18 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,212	I would say with David that silver plated brass is involved. Both keris hilts look silver plated brass or white brass to me and newer. Nice work. The sheath of the first might very well be silver.

6th March 2005, 04:59 PM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Whoa! Jacob...forum rules, no posting of active auction item... .

6th March 2005, 05:34 PM	#4
Jacob Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14	Sorry, I'm new here. Is it legal to post pictures from the active item without the link?

6th March 2005, 06:40 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,212	They are still making keris there. Repros? - yes and real modern ones too. I think yours are not repros but modern ones. Repros are for tourists and are obvious in their horrible quality. Yours are not for the tourists and seem to be better crafted. Regarding posting pics, it is better to post pics of "dead" auctions.

6th March 2005, 08:04 PM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	As Jose points out, the distinction between modern and repro can sometimes be a tricky one. One must consider that while certainly at a wanning point, the keris is still a living art form. I tend to agree that your first hilt is perhaps modern, but not what i would call a repro. The second is of a lesser quality. These hilt are both in a very traditional form, but there are neither Cecanginan nor Gerantiman nor a combination of the two. I believe these are Bayu hilts, a representation of the god of wind.