keris and spirit

A. G. Maisey · 12th June 2007, 10:45 PM

Pak Usman, you have told us several times that your understanding of keris is minimal. Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not. I don't know. But your understanding of the way in which communication with the unseen world functions is clear.The answer to hanachu's questions are within himself:- he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul? Different things work for different people. Possibly the right teacher or guide might help.

PenangsangII · 13th June 2007, 03:22 AM

Hanachu, yes, I'm the same penangsang

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I have to agree with Alan, a teacher's guidance is very necessary.

According to traditional belief, a mere appearance is a sign that "he" needs feeding.....

David · 13th June 2007, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

According to traditional belief, a mere appearance is a sign that "he" needs feeding.....

This is an interesting observation, but Hana made the connection to the old man with his keris because with his appearance came the strong scent of keris oil so it would seem that Hana is probably dilligent in the feeding of his keris.

PenangsangII · 13th June 2007, 05:00 AM

From what I was told, that keris was bought from Adni of MAG. I happen to own 2 kerises bought from Adni and I can tell for certain that the kerises still smell with "one kind of smell" i.e. keris oil eventhough after I cleaned them up using lime and sometimes wd40. Thru discussion in another forum, I was told that some oil residue is actually sticking on the inner part of the sarungs. I dont have to scent my keris with the special oil, and still my kerises have the scent.

Another thing to consider is that from my limited knowkedge in keris caretaking according to the traditional method, the khadam feed on incense / benzoine smoke, which I believe Hana would not use (due to her belief) thus the appearance on 2 separate occassions. Maybe there's another way of feeding that is not against her belief that other forumites can suggest?

David · 13th June 2007, 01:16 PM

Yes, i have also bought a number of keris from Adni and he does, indeed, use a most pleasant keris oil on them. I have also bought the oil from him.

Penangsang, you seem to have more intimate dtails of Hana's situation so i will wait for Hana to add more information. Personally i both smoke and oil my keris and have always considered both acts to be a form of "feeding" the keris and it's spirit. I am not as aware of Hana's personal beliefs as you seem to be so i can not persume to suggest any alternative feeding methods.

HanaChu69 · 13th June 2007, 05:54 PM

Hello everyone

It’s welcoming to hear views on this topic. I have to correct some on my gender as I’m a lady keris collector. It’s fine for I’m use to it already…no big deal.

Usman – I’m sure you will master the English Language some day. As for the dvd, I will email you to double confirm on my understanding. I have to agree that the appearance of the “khadam” is an indication that there was a problem before and the second was like a reminder. I will work on the “unfinished business” and hopefully solve them soon. Can I know where did you get your resources? How do you address the “khadam” in your native tongue? Btw, thanks for the compliment on my country and I hope you will visit us again some day.

David – It’s fine and I’m working on the “unfinished business” thus working out on further actions. Btw, I don’t smoke the kerises but diligently oil them as preventive measure against rust. As for Penangsang intimate detail on my situation, I would say that we both share similar ancestral profile – his on paternal and mine on maternal. As such, he understands my principles and beliefs as to why I omitted certain rituals.

Pak Alan – With your many years of experience in Javanese culture, is possible for you to elaborate on “he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul?”.

Penangsang – Welcome as we are both new to this forum. Btw, how do you derive the appearance as a sign that he needs feeding? It’s good to get the right teacher to guide but it seem that they kept a lot to themselves without wanting to share. Furthermore, there might even be conflict of interest on my part so I rather stick to my method.

Truthfully,
HanaChu69

PenangsangII · 14th June 2007, 03:34 AM

Greetings,

Hana, the possibility that the spirit is hungry is also "unfinished business" that literally means you have not fed him accordingly and periodically. I think you also understand when somebody come into contact with his/her dead ancestors thru dreams, it's sign that the ancestors are "hungry", hence special prayers (tahlil) is conducted by the immediate family members. I believe that treating the "the hungry khadam" also works in this principle though the way / ritual is different.

However, since you have indicated that you know about your "unfinished business" after some soul searching, my "hungry khadam" analogy is no longer relevant

.

Regarding the silent teacher/s, perhaps you should learn how to approach them without making it so obvious that you need to ask something. These teachers are analyzing you before teaching you anything as heavy as spiritual being subject for obvious reasons....

Mr Sepokal....if you are reading this, pls help.

13th June 2007, 05:00 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	keris feeding From what I was told, that keris was bought from Adni of MAG. I happen to own 2 kerises bought from Adni and I can tell for certain that the kerises still smell with "one kind of smell" i.e. keris oil eventhough after I cleaned them up using lime and sometimes wd40. Thru discussion in another forum, I was told that some oil residue is actually sticking on the inner part of the sarungs. I dont have to scent my keris with the special oil, and still my kerises have the scent. Another thing to consider is that from my limited knowkedge in keris caretaking according to the traditional method, the khadam feed on incense / benzoine smoke, which I believe Hana would not use (due to her belief) thus the appearance on 2 separate occassions. Maybe there's another way of feeding that is not against her belief that other forumites can suggest?

13th June 2007, 05:54 PM	#6
HanaChu69 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 29	Cool!! Hello everyone It’s welcoming to hear views on this topic. I have to correct some on my gender as I’m a lady keris collector. It’s fine for I’m use to it already…no big deal. Usman – I’m sure you will master the English Language some day. As for the dvd, I will email you to double confirm on my understanding. I have to agree that the appearance of the “khadam” is an indication that there was a problem before and the second was like a reminder. I will work on the “unfinished business” and hopefully solve them soon. Can I know where did you get your resources? How do you address the “khadam” in your native tongue? Btw, thanks for the compliment on my country and I hope you will visit us again some day. David – It’s fine and I’m working on the “unfinished business” thus working out on further actions. Btw, I don’t smoke the kerises but diligently oil them as preventive measure against rust. As for Penangsang intimate detail on my situation, I would say that we both share similar ancestral profile – his on paternal and mine on maternal. As such, he understands my principles and beliefs as to why I omitted certain rituals. Pak Alan – With your many years of experience in Javanese culture, is possible for you to elaborate on “he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul?”. Penangsang – Welcome as we are both new to this forum. Btw, how do you derive the appearance as a sign that he needs feeding? It’s good to get the right teacher to guide but it seem that they kept a lot to themselves without wanting to share. Furthermore, there might even be conflict of interest on my part so I rather stick to my method. Truthfully, HanaChu69 Last edited by HanaChu69; 14th June 2007 at 03:28 AM.

12th June 2007, 10:45 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,013	Pak Usman, you have told us several times that your understanding of keris is minimal. Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not. I don't know. But your understanding of the way in which communication with the unseen world functions is clear.The answer to hanachu's questions are within himself:- he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul? Different things work for different people. Possibly the right teacher or guide might help.

13th June 2007, 03:22 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Hanachu, yes, I'm the same penangsang . I have to agree with Alan, a teacher's guidance is very necessary. According to traditional belief, a mere appearance is a sign that "he" needs feeding.....

13th June 2007, 01:16 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Yes, i have also bought a number of keris from Adni and he does, indeed, use a most pleasant keris oil on them. I have also bought the oil from him. Penangsang, you seem to have more intimate dtails of Hana's situation so i will wait for Hana to add more information. Personally i both smoke and oil my keris and have always considered both acts to be a form of "feeding" the keris and it's spirit. I am not as aware of Hana's personal beliefs as you seem to be so i can not persume to suggest any alternative feeding methods.

14th June 2007, 03:34 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Greetings, Hana, the possibility that the spirit is hungry is also "unfinished business" that literally means you have not fed him accordingly and periodically. I think you also understand when somebody come into contact with his/her dead ancestors thru dreams, it's sign that the ancestors are "hungry", hence special prayers (tahlil) is conducted by the immediate family members. I believe that treating the "the hungry khadam" also works in this principle though the way / ritual is different. However, since you have indicated that you know about your "unfinished business" after some soul searching, my "hungry khadam" analogy is no longer relevant . Regarding the silent teacher/s, perhaps you should learn how to approach them without making it so obvious that you need to ask something. These teachers are analyzing you before teaching you anything as heavy as spiritual being subject for obvious reasons.... Mr Sepokal....if you are reading this, pls help.