German sword maker

fernando · 3rd June 2007, 10:08 PM

Thank you very much indeed, Jim. Your'e a great helper.
Hi Jeff, thanks a lot for your sugestion. I will be searching on "A.W.Schulte".
I have also had a sugestion for "Alfred Schule", from another source.
But it somehow looks to me that the letters after Schu are an L and a Z, as the name being Schulze or the like ... but that is only my fantasy. However i am surprised that the human figure above the name, a King with a sword, is not known to people familiar with German swordsmiths marks.
I hope that something on that area will come out any time.
Thanks again
fernando

Jeff D · 3rd June 2007, 10:48 PM

I can find a Edward Schultze a retailer from Berlin and potsdam 1889-1892, A family of Schulder's in Solingen from the 1700-1800's (no Alfred), and Friedrich Schuller 1817.

Will keep looking
Jeff

Jim McDougall · 3rd June 2007, 11:15 PM

Yay! I hoped you would come in on this Jeff!

I can always count on you !
I think the latter 19th c. seems pretty likely for this piece.

Fernando,
Glad I could offer some ideas on this, maybe the guys can come up with something they've seen similar. The world of hunting weapons gets pretty variant since these are civil weapons far outside any sort of standardization or regulation.

All the best,
Jim

Jeff D · 4th June 2007, 11:04 PM

Thanks Jim,

I wish i could find more on Alfred but as you know many retailers and assemblers also stamped their names on the blades. Some had quite exaggerated boasts such as maker for king or queen such and such.

I will keep looking
Jeff

fernando · 4th June 2007, 11:38 PM

I am so much pleased with all this interest.
But i must say i am a bit puzzled now. I heard from another source that the typeface ( font ) used in this inscription is DIN Normschrift, meaning that this writing standard was implemented around 1950, and so this piece can't be older than that. I confess this was a "bucket of cold water" for me

. But, as we say over here, against facts there are no arguments. What would you say about this new evidence, Jim ? Plausible ?
Still ignoring the real name and actual mark, any how ... besides the surprise for hunting swords being so contemporary. I thaught these things ceased existing more than sixty years ago.
Thanks for all your envolvement Jeff.

Jeff D · 5th June 2007, 12:23 AM

Hi Fernando,

If this is post 1950 you might want to ask these guys; http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/index.php

Please keep us up todate on what you find.
Jeff

Jim McDougall · 5th June 2007, 01:37 PM

Hi Jeff,
Thanks again for keeping up on this ! You're right about the German blade and sword industry, which became more complex toward to latter 19th c. and even more so with WWI and so on. They became extremely competitive and the claims to the fame of the early makers was very much like the marketing of the present, with emphasis on venerability (or is it vulnerability ?

so the king, queen allusions were very much as you note .

Fernando,
I agree, it would be disappointing and I am inclined to think the hunting sword concept went out some time ago, despite the obvious clinging to anachronistic tradition often seen in upper echelon gentry. It seems the 'hunting knife' superceded these (I keep thinking of Crocodile Dundee holding up that enormous Bowie!!!!).
Actually my suggestion of hunting swords drew more toward the size of this weapon, and hangers of this size were of course used by many specialized units such as artillery, engineers etc.
I am very amazed by the observation on the font! which is very convincing and it does seem to be unusually large, though I honestly dont know much on fonts or typeface and would like to know more about resources on that!
Its amazing how diverse and multifaceted the study of weapons really is, we never know where clues might turn up.

As Jeff says, please keep us updated OK Fernando?

All the best,
Jim

5th June 2007, 12:23 AM	#6
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Fernando, If this is post 1950 you might want to ask these guys; http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/index.php Please keep us up todate on what you find. Jeff Last edited by Jeff D; 5th June 2007 at 12:33 AM.

3rd June 2007, 10:08 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you very much indeed, Jim. Your'e a great helper. Hi Jeff, thanks a lot for your sugestion. I will be searching on "A.W.Schulte". I have also had a sugestion for "Alfred Schule", from another source. But it somehow looks to me that the letters after Schu are an L and a Z, as the name being Schulze or the like ... but that is only my fantasy. However i am surprised that the human figure above the name, a King with a sword, is not known to people familiar with German swordsmiths marks. I hope that something on that area will come out any time. Thanks again fernando

3rd June 2007, 10:48 PM	#2
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	I can find a Edward Schultze a retailer from Berlin and potsdam 1889-1892, A family of Schulder's in Solingen from the 1700-1800's (no Alfred), and Friedrich Schuller 1817. Will keep looking Jeff

3rd June 2007, 11:15 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Yay! I hoped you would come in on this Jeff! I can always count on you ! I think the latter 19th c. seems pretty likely for this piece. Fernando, Glad I could offer some ideas on this, maybe the guys can come up with something they've seen similar. The world of hunting weapons gets pretty variant since these are civil weapons far outside any sort of standardization or regulation. All the best, Jim

4th June 2007, 11:04 PM	#4
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Thanks Jim, I wish i could find more on Alfred but as you know many retailers and assemblers also stamped their names on the blades. Some had quite exaggerated boasts such as maker for king or queen such and such. I will keep looking Jeff

4th June 2007, 11:38 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I am so much pleased with all this interest. But i must say i am a bit puzzled now. I heard from another source that the typeface ( font ) used in this inscription is DIN Normschrift, meaning that this writing standard was implemented around 1950, and so this piece can't be older than that. I confess this was a "bucket of cold water" for me . But, as we say over here, against facts there are no arguments. What would you say about this new evidence, Jim ? Plausible ? Still ignoring the real name and actual mark, any how ... besides the surprise for hunting swords being so contemporary. I thaught these things ceased existing more than sixty years ago. Thanks for all your envolvement Jeff.

5th June 2007, 01:37 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Hi Jeff, Thanks again for keeping up on this ! You're right about the German blade and sword industry, which became more complex toward to latter 19th c. and even more so with WWI and so on. They became extremely competitive and the claims to the fame of the early makers was very much like the marketing of the present, with emphasis on venerability (or is it vulnerability ? so the king, queen allusions were very much as you note . Fernando, I agree, it would be disappointing and I am inclined to think the hunting sword concept went out some time ago, despite the obvious clinging to anachronistic tradition often seen in upper echelon gentry. It seems the 'hunting knife' superceded these (I keep thinking of Crocodile Dundee holding up that enormous Bowie!!!!). Actually my suggestion of hunting swords drew more toward the size of this weapon, and hangers of this size were of course used by many specialized units such as artillery, engineers etc. I am very amazed by the observation on the font! which is very convincing and it does seem to be unusually large, though I honestly dont know much on fonts or typeface and would like to know more about resources on that! Its amazing how diverse and multifaceted the study of weapons really is, we never know where clues might turn up. As Jeff says, please keep us updated OK Fernando? All the best, Jim