German sword maker

Jim McDougall · 3rd June 2007, 04:15 PM

C'mon guys!!! Somebody out there must have Bezdek or Imperial German Arms Makers!!

Fernando, the curiosity is killin' me, what type weapon is this on? You always find the most interesting stuff !!!

All the best,
Jim

fernando · 3rd June 2007, 06:28 PM

Thanks for encouraging me, Jim. This isn't much of an ethno piece

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The seller said it could be a hunting knife ( sword ), but he wasn't so sure. The blade is 20 " long and 1 1/16" wide at the forte. To my eyes, it has the shape of a saber blade in short. The grip is dark horn, with a design often seen ... would you agree ?
You can see that this piece is numbered ( 194 ) but both number and maker's marks are not punctioned with accuracy, which doesn't favour quality.
If ever you feel like comenting on this piece, i would be so much obliged. Naturaly the same goes to any other member.
I still strugle to decipher the mark and therefore the maker.
BTW, the marks are found on the left side of the blade, if this means something.
Lots of health.
fernando

Jim McDougall · 3rd June 2007, 09:00 PM

Hi Fernando,
You're very welcome! I regret I do not have access to my resources on markings or I would gladly try to search out this marking and the name...so I hope other readers will help out.

The blade seems intact and not shortened so given the rather short length it could very well be a hunting sword blade, but the hilt is of course inconsistant, looking more like a shashka type mount. I'm not saying that's what this is, but certainly has the appearance. The blade appears 19th c. and of course Solingen work.

I would like to hear other opinions as well, and really look forward to the word on the marking.

All the best,
Jim

Jeff D · 3rd June 2007, 09:26 PM

The closest name in Bezdek that I can find is an A.W. Schulte & Co. a retailer in Gevelsburg 1900-1917. I have checked my other sources and cannot find anything closer nor can I find a similar mark. I will keep looking.

Sorry I can't help more
jeff

fernando · 3rd June 2007, 10:08 PM

Thank you very much indeed, Jim. Your'e a great helper.
Hi Jeff, thanks a lot for your sugestion. I will be searching on "A.W.Schulte".
I have also had a sugestion for "Alfred Schule", from another source.
But it somehow looks to me that the letters after Schu are an L and a Z, as the name being Schulze or the like ... but that is only my fantasy. However i am surprised that the human figure above the name, a King with a sword, is not known to people familiar with German swordsmiths marks.
I hope that something on that area will come out any time.
Thanks again
fernando

Jeff D · 3rd June 2007, 10:48 PM

I can find a Edward Schultze a retailer from Berlin and potsdam 1889-1892, A family of Schulder's in Solingen from the 1700-1800's (no Alfred), and Friedrich Schuller 1817.

Will keep looking
Jeff

Jim McDougall · 3rd June 2007, 11:15 PM

Yay! I hoped you would come in on this Jeff!

I can always count on you !
I think the latter 19th c. seems pretty likely for this piece.

Fernando,
Glad I could offer some ideas on this, maybe the guys can come up with something they've seen similar. The world of hunting weapons gets pretty variant since these are civil weapons far outside any sort of standardization or regulation.

All the best,
Jim

3rd June 2007, 06:28 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for encouraging me, Jim. This isn't much of an ethno piece . The seller said it could be a hunting knife ( sword ), but he wasn't so sure. The blade is 20 " long and 1 1/16" wide at the forte. To my eyes, it has the shape of a saber blade in short. The grip is dark horn, with a design often seen ... would you agree ? You can see that this piece is numbered ( 194 ) but both number and maker's marks are not punctioned with accuracy, which doesn't favour quality. If ever you feel like comenting on this piece, i would be so much obliged. Naturaly the same goes to any other member. I still strugle to decipher the mark and therefore the maker. BTW, the marks are found on the left side of the blade, if this means something. Lots of health. fernando Attached Images

3rd June 2007, 04:15 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	C'mon guys!!! Somebody out there must have Bezdek or Imperial German Arms Makers!! Fernando, the curiosity is killin' me, what type weapon is this on? You always find the most interesting stuff !!! All the best, Jim

3rd June 2007, 09:00 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Hi Fernando, You're very welcome! I regret I do not have access to my resources on markings or I would gladly try to search out this marking and the name...so I hope other readers will help out. The blade seems intact and not shortened so given the rather short length it could very well be a hunting sword blade, but the hilt is of course inconsistant, looking more like a shashka type mount. I'm not saying that's what this is, but certainly has the appearance. The blade appears 19th c. and of course Solingen work. I would like to hear other opinions as well, and really look forward to the word on the marking. All the best, Jim

3rd June 2007, 09:26 PM	#4
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	The closest name in Bezdek that I can find is an A.W. Schulte & Co. a retailer in Gevelsburg 1900-1917. I have checked my other sources and cannot find anything closer nor can I find a similar mark. I will keep looking. Sorry I can't help more jeff

3rd June 2007, 10:08 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you very much indeed, Jim. Your'e a great helper. Hi Jeff, thanks a lot for your sugestion. I will be searching on "A.W.Schulte". I have also had a sugestion for "Alfred Schule", from another source. But it somehow looks to me that the letters after Schu are an L and a Z, as the name being Schulze or the like ... but that is only my fantasy. However i am surprised that the human figure above the name, a King with a sword, is not known to people familiar with German swordsmiths marks. I hope that something on that area will come out any time. Thanks again fernando

3rd June 2007, 10:48 PM	#6
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	I can find a Edward Schultze a retailer from Berlin and potsdam 1889-1892, A family of Schulder's in Solingen from the 1700-1800's (no Alfred), and Friedrich Schuller 1817. Will keep looking Jeff

3rd June 2007, 11:15 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Yay! I hoped you would come in on this Jeff! I can always count on you ! I think the latter 19th c. seems pretty likely for this piece. Fernando, Glad I could offer some ideas on this, maybe the guys can come up with something they've seen similar. The world of hunting weapons gets pretty variant since these are civil weapons far outside any sort of standardization or regulation. All the best, Jim