20th Century Solonese Keris

A. G. Maisey · 20th May 2007, 08:56 AM

I do not know what Indonesian patent law is like, but I do have a rough idea of how it operates in Australia.

Effectively, it is useless unless you are a multi million dollar organisation with a team of patent lawyers who are prepared to prosecute every infringement of that patent.

Patenting a design might be a nice idea, but firstly you need to very clearly identify what exactly it is that you are going to patent, and then ensuring that what you think you can patent can in fact be patented.

After you have spent a very considerable sum of money in securing your patent you then need to rigorously patrol the area of your patent and follow-up on every infringement, and prosecute where necessary.

Let's get serious.

Patenting is not for works of art that sell at relatively miniscule prices.

Patenting is for commercial ideas and undertakings where very big money, and very serious, very aggressive people are involved.

ganjawulung · 20th May 2007, 10:04 AM

From what Alan said just now, I dare to say that: self-campaigning for an empu, or 'prominent keris maker' like Sukamdi is almost impossible. Spend money for hiring lawyer? Even "hiring" himself Sukamdi can not. He is living in a simple condition, although not poor enough to starve...

At least, Sukamdi is still "the son of natural heritage" (?), who has nothing but his ability to create such good keris creation.. He has no power to control infringement like Alan just said. Still a long way to go, for patenting the creation in this keris world.

Insurance? Yes, until now the ability to insure something in the world of keris is still in the hand of the haves. Rich keris collectors in Jakarta, they insured their valuable kerises and put their valuable belongings in the bank's safe deposit box. Prominent bank like BCA (Bank Central Asia), who sponsored also the publishing of Keris Jawa (Haryono Haryoguritno's book), has deposited many valuable kerises from prominent collector (if I may mention) as Mr Sani Gondomono. Sani is a great keris collector, who collecting valuable kerises with valuable ornaments...

20th May 2007, 08:56 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,013	I do not know what Indonesian patent law is like, but I do have a rough idea of how it operates in Australia. Effectively, it is useless unless you are a multi million dollar organisation with a team of patent lawyers who are prepared to prosecute every infringement of that patent. Patenting a design might be a nice idea, but firstly you need to very clearly identify what exactly it is that you are going to patent, and then ensuring that what you think you can patent can in fact be patented. After you have spent a very considerable sum of money in securing your patent you then need to rigorously patrol the area of your patent and follow-up on every infringement, and prosecute where necessary. Let's get serious. Patenting is not for works of art that sell at relatively miniscule prices. Patenting is for commercial ideas and undertakings where very big money, and very serious, very aggressive people are involved. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 21st May 2007 at 12:27 AM.

20th May 2007, 10:04 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Money From what Alan said just now, I dare to say that: self-campaigning for an empu, or 'prominent keris maker' like Sukamdi is almost impossible. Spend money for hiring lawyer? Even "hiring" himself Sukamdi can not. He is living in a simple condition, although not poor enough to starve... At least, Sukamdi is still "the son of natural heritage" (?), who has nothing but his ability to create such good keris creation.. He has no power to control infringement like Alan just said. Still a long way to go, for patenting the creation in this keris world. Insurance? Yes, until now the ability to insure something in the world of keris is still in the hand of the haves. Rich keris collectors in Jakarta, they insured their valuable kerises and put their valuable belongings in the bank's safe deposit box. Prominent bank like BCA (Bank Central Asia), who sponsored also the publishing of Keris Jawa (Haryono Haryoguritno's book), has deposited many valuable kerises from prominent collector (if I may mention) as Mr Sani Gondomono. Sani is a great keris collector, who collecting valuable kerises with valuable ornaments...