Walang Sinudhuk

[Newsteel]

Originally Posted by Mans

Indeed that many book had illustrated the form of this pamor. but every book gave different illustrations of each other. So, which the illustraton nearest with the from of this pamor as it was

Bapak Hidayat,
I had the same thinking too after viewing all the pictures. All illustration differs. So do we choose to believe one pamor that look like a skewed locust??

[Marcokeris]

Mans, the pamor in your thread seems from bonang rineteng style. In the book "Pamor Keris" there is another pamor with the same pattern (I put picture below)

Here i put also some "pictures" that well illustrate the confusion in my brain.
one from M. Roeslan book "dunia keris pusaka"
one from a pamor's book by Wibatsu Harianto
another from A. Zazuli book

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Mans, the pamor in your thread seems from bonang rineteng style. In the book "Pamor Keris" there is another pamor with the same pattern (I put picture below)

Here i put also some "pictures" that well illustrate the confusion in my brain.
one from M. Roeslan book "dunia keris pusaka"
one from a pamor's book by Wibatsu Harianto
another from A. Zazuli book

Marco,
Let's try to straight things out (if possible).
1) Your 1st diagram, I don't think it's pamor pandan iras. Refer to Haryono's Keris Jawa, pg: 208, Fig: 4.32j = Walang Sinundukan, Fig: 4.32lk = Pandan Iras. It's different altogether, although the construction method are similar.

2) Your 2nd picture looks like pamor Gumbala Geni, to me... looks like "smoke rising", in abstract form.

3) and 4) pamor are same with the 1st pic. Same doesn't mean it's correct.
It just means that they copied from the same reference. Even the texts are the same, (Hidayat's eg from Pamor Keris, your 1st and 3rd pictures are the same)... (need to check what pamor is it, btw).

Imho, I guess these authors might have simply 'copy and paste' without much research.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

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3) and 4) pamor are same with the 1st pic.

Thanks Hidayat, now we see an actual Walang Sinudhuk pamor form.

Btw, congrats on the publishing of your article in PAMOR magazine (No.3 March 2007), titled: "Keris Luk 9, Simbol Kesempurnaan Hidup" which literally translated to "Luk 9 Keris, Symbol of an Ideal Life" in the Philosophy section.

[Mans]

Hello Alamshah

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Thanks Hidayat, now we see an actual Walang Sinudhuk pamor form.

I expect that pamor of my keris is Walang Sinuduk..

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Btw, congrats on the publishing of your article in PAMOR magazine (No.3 March 2007), titled: "Keris Luk 9, Simbol Kesempurnaan Hidup" which literally translated to "Luk 9 Keris, Symbol of an Ideal Life" in the Philosophy section.

I thought that everybody (especially you) can write the artricel like me. That because what I wrote is a common opinion, especially regarding the Jawanese keris cultures.
Thank you too

[Marcokeris]

A pamor barbecue full of.....

[Marcokeris]

....ghosts!

[Mans]

Originally Posted by Newsteel

Bapak Hidayat,
I had the same thinking too after viewing all the pictures. All illustration differs. So do we choose to believe one pamor that look like a skewed locust??

Pak Newsteel ,
I think pamor keris must be definited, and we must choose the illustrated which nearest same with illustrated on the book (as Pakem). That because pamor of the keris easier to definited that Tangguh which has more complicated aspects to analysis the keris.

Here I posted my keris with has similiar pamor as illustrated on Pamor Keris book by Bambang Harsrinuksmo. But in the other book (Keris jawa ; Antara Mistik dan Nalar by Haryono Haryoguritno p; 121) called as Ilining Warih. So, do my keris can be called has pamor Walang Sinuduk

Marco, I think pamor Bonang Rinenteng or Bonang Sarenteng has different form with Walang Sinuduk (Keris with pamor Bonang Sarenteng : http://keris.fotopic.net/c1045903.html)

[Marcokeris]

Thanks Mans for your photo
I agrre with you