A tulwar from Kishanghar

Jens Nordlunde · 9th May 2007, 12:47 PM

Alex

Nice pair of tulwars you have, with nice Indian blades as well.

Have you had the text on the blade translated? What does the top of the disc look like? Where are the eye lashes?

ALEX · 13th May 2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Alex

Nice pair of tulwars you have, with nice Indian blades as well.

Have you had the text on the blade translated? What does the top of the disc look like? Where are the eye lashes?

Thank you Jens,
Please look at the last image above... closely. The eyelashes stamp is right in the middle of the blade, see it?
Also, below are closeups of the pommels and the text. I tried to translate it, but apparently it is very difficult verse, even my Arabic-speaking friend is struggling to translate it.

Jens Nordlunde · 13th May 2007, 10:10 AM

Hi Alex,

I found these two pictures on my computer, they are from a book called Damascening on Steel or Iron, as practised in India. The flowers on top of the disc looks very much like yours. I remember having read, that all the weapons shown in the book belonged to Maharaja Madho Singh of Jaipur. One could say it is likely that the swords in the armoury came from the same area, but it is no guarantee, as many weapons changed armoury due to the many wars, - often more than once, and there was also a considerable trade.

ALEX · 13th May 2007, 02:01 PM

Thanks for a nice reference Jens.
I think the example you showed is superior to what I have (especially the top picture). I recently saw a similar hilt, but made using different, non-koftgari, technique. The gold appears to be applied like a paste, or thick ink, without any visible cross-stiching of the metal, in very intricate small floral pattern. I have similar hilt in silver (but mine is again inferior to that:-)

Jeff D · 16th May 2007, 04:31 AM

Hi Jens,

I have been meaning to post this one since I saw your thread, but, I have been delayed for a number of reasons.
ward's wax pencil idea sounds right to me.

Hope this is useful.
Jeff

Jens Nordlunde · 16th May 2007, 09:15 AM

Hi Jeff,

Nice to hear from you, and to see your nice tulwar, with a blade well used. The armoury mark is one of the more clear ones. The number on yours is 181, which you probably know already. On mine the number is 2. I have yet to find out what the letters say/mean, but this will no doubt be difficult, as they are likely to abbreviations.

Jeff D · 18th May 2007, 05:13 AM

Hi Jens,

Thanks for posting this topic. I had a Sikh friend read the script and he said the letters read (phonetically) "ra - khee - Ka", good luck finding out what that means

. Of course it may read completely different in Rajasthan.

All the best
Jeff

13th May 2007, 10:10 AM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Alex, I found these two pictures on my computer, they are from a book called Damascening on Steel or Iron, as practised in India. The flowers on top of the disc looks very much like yours. I remember having read, that all the weapons shown in the book belonged to Maharaja Madho Singh of Jaipur. One could say it is likely that the swords in the armoury came from the same area, but it is no guarantee, as many weapons changed armoury due to the many wars, - often more than once, and there was also a considerable trade. Attached Images Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 13th May 2007 at 03:01 PM.

16th May 2007, 04:31 AM	#5
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Jens, I have been meaning to post this one since I saw your thread, but, I have been delayed for a number of reasons. ward's wax pencil idea sounds right to me. Hope this is useful. Jeff Attached Images

9th May 2007, 12:47 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Alex Nice pair of tulwars you have, with nice Indian blades as well. Have you had the text on the blade translated? What does the top of the disc look like? Where are the eye lashes?

13th May 2007, 02:01 PM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Thanks for a nice reference Jens. I think the example you showed is superior to what I have (especially the top picture). I recently saw a similar hilt, but made using different, non-koftgari, technique. The gold appears to be applied like a paste, or thick ink, without any visible cross-stiching of the metal, in very intricate small floral pattern. I have similar hilt in silver (but mine is again inferior to that:-)

16th May 2007, 09:15 AM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Jeff, Nice to hear from you, and to see your nice tulwar, with a blade well used. The armoury mark is one of the more clear ones. The number on yours is 181, which you probably know already. On mine the number is 2. I have yet to find out what the letters say/mean, but this will no doubt be difficult, as they are likely to abbreviations.

18th May 2007, 05:13 AM	#7
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Jens, Thanks for posting this topic. I had a Sikh friend read the script and he said the letters read (phonetically) "ra - khee - Ka", good luck finding out what that means . Of course it may read completely different in Rajasthan. All the best Jeff