Is it Raja Gundala?

drdavid · 24th April 2007, 10:15 AM

Hi Brekele
here is the turtle I see, enjoy the keris.

brekele · 24th April 2007, 11:06 PM

Hi Alan, nice to hear from you again, yes..since now I address you as Alan, just same as other guys to address you.

Hi drdavid, thanks for your drawing line, even your added line on the picture is a bit too much on neck,hand..etc.
Now, It's look more like a JUMP DOWN KANGGAROOTLE'S HEAD. But It's oke.
Because I knew you come from place where those kanggaroos came from.
(Hi Alan, I like your words....in the eyes of the beholder

).

Hi David, also thanks for your comment.

brekele · 24th April 2007, 11:47 PM

Hi Guys, I got informations from Indo that this blade had dapur sinom robyong.
Is there any idea maybe for making this blade look better, I mean about material
for warangka and handle. Any comment is welcome.
Hi Dave, how are you today?

brekele · 26th April 2007, 10:25 AM

Hi Guys, sorry for pics. now i tried to make it better.
there is a bit problem with warangka because many of them here.
again, is there any idea to change the warangka and handle?
OR just any comment about this keris?
The keris is straight blade and ada ada in the middle luk's shape.
Is it rare?
THANKS

HI DAVID, Thank you for your information about who Alan is.
I hope is not too late.
I tried to delete my bad pictures before but I dont know how

Dave, just teenie boy who tried to learn PC, I hope you understand. Any info Dave?
Thanks

Pangeran Datu · 28th April 2007, 12:03 PM

Hi all,

I just had a look at the second lot of pix. IMVHO, even with its wavy spine, I would call it: Sinom Wora Wari, or, at a pinch, Sinom Wora Wari Robyong ( to take into account the Greneng). I could go overboard, and call it: Sinom Wora Wari Robyong Palawija.

Just my opinion.

Cheers.

A. G. Maisey · 29th April 2007, 12:00 AM

When we attempt to affix a specific dhapur name to a blade form, what we are doing is identifying the features of a blade and comparing that assembly of features to the features specified in a recognised pakem. If the features coincide exactly with those laid down in the pakem for a particular dhapur, then we can say that the blade in question is of such and such a dhapur, in accordance with such and such a pakem.

Most pakems are Javanese, and are only applicable to Javanese blade forms.

It is not correct to apply a Javanese pakem to a Lombok blade, and then give that Lombok blade a designation intended for a Javanese blade.

Nor is it correct to invent our own dhapur names.

To give this Lombok blade a correct dhapur name we would need to use a Lombok pakem. In fact, I believe that in respect of Lombok keris we might be more correct to refer to the blade form as "bentuk", or "angun-angunan", rather than as "dhapur".

The only Lombok pakem I have available is the one provided by Djelenga, and that does not list sinom robyong.

The entire field of dhapur is very, very difficult. If one wishes to define a blade form it is perhaps better to name the features (ricikan), rather than to provide a dhapur name.

brekele · 29th April 2007, 09:04 AM

Hi Alan, Thanks for your long words and also for Pangeran Datu.
(It takes me 2 hours to open a dictionary to understand it).

I remembered conversations with a friend in Lombok.
And He told me that most of OLD KERISES in Lombok are came/made from JAWA.
And I think, I believed it....because there is no BESALEN (I have no see till now)
in Lombok that can proof those Kerises was made in Lombok.
SO, I guess ....It is oke to jugde "DAPUR" also for Lombok's kerises instead of "Bentuk or Anggun-anggunan" only. Is it right Guys?
(Alan, It's only my opinion, I'm not even junior high school yet for this subject!
and I guess you are already in university same as Alam,David,P.Datu and more other Guys and even soon you became a Doctor's Keris, he...he...he..

)

BTW, I heard about a book from Djelenga. (hard to fine)
I wish to have this book to learn more about Lombok's keris.
Hi Alan, Is it teenie boy's budget can reach price of this book?
Thanks.

24th April 2007, 10:15 AM	#1
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Turtle Hi Brekele here is the turtle I see, enjoy the keris. Attached Images

24th April 2007, 11:06 PM	#2
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi Alan, nice to hear from you again, yes..since now I address you as Alan, just same as other guys to address you. Hi drdavid, thanks for your drawing line, even your added line on the picture is a bit too much on neck,hand..etc. Now, It's look more like a JUMP DOWN KANGGAROOTLE'S HEAD. But It's oke. Because I knew you come from place where those kanggaroos came from. (Hi Alan, I like your words....in the eyes of the beholder ). Hi David, also thanks for your comment. Last edited by brekele; 24th April 2007 at 11:23 PM.

24th April 2007, 11:47 PM	#3
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	keris blade for comment Hi Guys, I got informations from Indo that this blade had dapur sinom robyong. Is there any idea maybe for making this blade look better, I mean about material for warangka and handle. Any comment is welcome. Hi Dave, how are you today? Attached Images Last edited by brekele; 25th April 2007 at 12:19 AM.

26th April 2007, 10:25 AM	#4
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	edit Hi Guys, sorry for pics. now i tried to make it better. there is a bit problem with warangka because many of them here. again, is there any idea to change the warangka and handle? OR just any comment about this keris? The keris is straight blade and ada ada in the middle luk's shape. Is it rare? THANKS HI DAVID, Thank you for your information about who Alan is. I hope is not too late. I tried to delete my bad pictures before but I dont know how Dave, just teenie boy who tried to learn PC, I hope you understand. Any info Dave? Thanks Attached Images

28th April 2007, 12:03 PM	#5
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	Hi all, I just had a look at the second lot of pix. IMVHO, even with its wavy spine, I would call it: Sinom Wora Wari, or, at a pinch, Sinom Wora Wari Robyong ( to take into account the Greneng). I could go overboard, and call it: Sinom Wora Wari Robyong Palawija. Just my opinion. Cheers. Last edited by Pangeran Datu; 28th April 2007 at 08:23 PM.

29th April 2007, 12:00 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	When we attempt to affix a specific dhapur name to a blade form, what we are doing is identifying the features of a blade and comparing that assembly of features to the features specified in a recognised pakem. If the features coincide exactly with those laid down in the pakem for a particular dhapur, then we can say that the blade in question is of such and such a dhapur, in accordance with such and such a pakem. Most pakems are Javanese, and are only applicable to Javanese blade forms. It is not correct to apply a Javanese pakem to a Lombok blade, and then give that Lombok blade a designation intended for a Javanese blade. Nor is it correct to invent our own dhapur names. To give this Lombok blade a correct dhapur name we would need to use a Lombok pakem. In fact, I believe that in respect of Lombok keris we might be more correct to refer to the blade form as "bentuk", or "angun-angunan", rather than as "dhapur". The only Lombok pakem I have available is the one provided by Djelenga, and that does not list sinom robyong. The entire field of dhapur is very, very difficult. If one wishes to define a blade form it is perhaps better to name the features (ricikan), rather than to provide a dhapur name.

29th April 2007, 09:04 AM	#7
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi Alan, Thanks for your long words and also for Pangeran Datu. (It takes me 2 hours to open a dictionary to understand it). I remembered conversations with a friend in Lombok. And He told me that most of OLD KERISES in Lombok are came/made from JAWA. And I think, I believed it....because there is no BESALEN (I have no see till now) in Lombok that can proof those Kerises was made in Lombok. SO, I guess ....It is oke to jugde "DAPUR" also for Lombok's kerises instead of "Bentuk or Anggun-anggunan" only. Is it right Guys? (Alan, It's only my opinion, I'm not even junior high school yet for this subject! and I guess you are already in university same as Alam,David,P.Datu and more other Guys and even soon you became a Doctor's Keris, he...he...he.. ) BTW, I heard about a book from Djelenga. (hard to fine) I wish to have this book to learn more about Lombok's keris. Hi Alan, Is it teenie boy's budget can reach price of this book? Thanks.