OLD OR JUNK?

Rick · 22nd April 2007, 01:34 AM

The dapur as it appears now lacks a certain flow and harmony; the execution is not too impressive IMO.

brekele · 22nd April 2007, 10:04 AM

Hi Alam, somehow I tought like you before in first moment I got this dirty blade's pics. (Honestly I'm not good in keris experience but most of my friends in Lombok does very much better than me in this subject).
And then I dialed some mobile numbers to INDO for making sure about this keris
being modified/added or not (also for me to learn).
And Opinions of those numbers was IMPOSIBLE IF THERE ARE MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IN 80 - 90 YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE FOR TRADING KERIS.
MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IS JUST CAME UP ABOUT LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO WHEN BOOMING OF KERISES TRADING IS STARTING.
GUYS, once again.....I stil learn, those opinion above was just fresh from few DIALLED NUMBERS.

And I'm sure ....I BELIEVED THEM (they are some good friends of me).
No "CHEAT AND CHAT" in our relationship so far.

GUYS, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING ENGLISH TEACHER FOR ME. NOW I'M OFTEN TO OPEN DICTIONARY AGAIN

Henk · 22nd April 2007, 10:23 AM

Great job!!!!

Just love this keris!!!!

David · 22nd April 2007, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brekele

And Opinions of those numbers was IMPOSIBLE IF THERE ARE MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IN 80 - 90 YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE FOR TRADING KERIS.
MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IS JUST CAME UP ABOUT LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO WHEN BOOMING OF KERISES TRADING IS STARTING.
GUYS, once again.....I stil learn, those opinion above was just fresh from few DIALLED NUMBERS.
And I'm sure ....I BELIEVED THEM (they are some good friends of me).
No "CHEAT AND CHAT" in our relationship so far.

AFAIK modifications have been added to keris for even more than 80-90 years, but certainly it is a practice which has increased in modern times. I think it would be very difficult to tell exactly when this keris may have been modified, but it could very well have been within the last 25 years. It could even have been done in the last few years as there are all kinds of methods to add age to make these changes look original to the keris. I am not in anyway implying that the friend you bought this from was aware of these changes so there is no "cheat and chat" implied, but i would be very surprised if this blade's dapur is original. You might also want to look at what you paid for this keris. Was it hundreds of dollars (USD) or thousands? If this is the original dapur it would be a rather rare one and quite valuable IMO. Your knowledgable Indo friends would probably be aware of this as well.

brekele · 22nd April 2007, 05:46 PM

Hi David, you might right. As I said, I'm not experience enought for this subject and stil want to learn about it.

Anyway, price I bought just a bit more I guess for this one. Because this keris was my ordered to a friend and He probebly look around whole LOMBOK to find this keris.
But it's oke. EXPERIENCE/EDUCATION about this subject is more important for me.

Dave, price you asked? hhhhmmmmm

hhmmmm

hhhmmmmmm

hhmm

Oke, I'll tell you...BUT ssssssssttttt...don't tell to Rick,oke?
(Rp 1,7 jt).

But Now, I have to think sending cost + TAX !!! OHH!!!! OHHH!! HELP?

OHH!!! MUNICH is eeeexxpensive Dave!
ALAMAAAAAAAKKK................!!!!! INAAAAAAAKKKK........!!!!!!

David · 22nd April 2007, 07:06 PM

Actually i wasn't really asking you exactly how much you paid for this keris, that would be rude. Instead i was suggesting that if you consider for yourself how much you paid that information might aid in determining whether this dapur is original or altered work.
As for the taxes, i can certainly relate...but alas, there is not a damn thing we can do about them...Life, Death and Taxes...i am afraid there is little else...oh, and keris of course!

brekele · 23rd April 2007, 05:46 PM

It's oke Dave, this time my English is a bit chaos!
No more little thing else

But keris?
Baaaang!!! here they are!!!!!
Clean your self!!!, pick up only! and NO PAYPAL,Dave.

Address?
Somewhere cross beautiful small villages in LOMBOK.
PUASS!! PUASS!!

David · 24th April 2007, 04:22 AM

Nice collection. Are these all yours or do they belong to your dealer friend?

23rd April 2007, 05:46 PM	#7
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	It's oke Dave, this time my English is a bit chaos! No more little thing else But keris? Baaaang!!! here they are!!!!! Clean your self!!!, pick up only! and NO PAYPAL,Dave. Address? Somewhere cross beautiful small villages in LOMBOK. PUASS!! PUASS!! Attached Images

22nd April 2007, 01:34 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	The dapur as it appears now lacks a certain flow and harmony; the execution is not too impressive IMO.

22nd April 2007, 10:04 AM	#2
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi Alam, somehow I tought like you before in first moment I got this dirty blade's pics. (Honestly I'm not good in keris experience but most of my friends in Lombok does very much better than me in this subject). And then I dialed some mobile numbers to INDO for making sure about this keris being modified/added or not (also for me to learn). And Opinions of those numbers was IMPOSIBLE IF THERE ARE MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IN 80 - 90 YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE FOR TRADING KERIS. MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IS JUST CAME UP ABOUT LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO WHEN BOOMING OF KERISES TRADING IS STARTING. GUYS, once again.....I stil learn, those opinion above was just fresh from few DIALLED NUMBERS. And I'm sure ....I BELIEVED THEM (they are some good friends of me). No "CHEAT AND CHAT" in our relationship so far. GUYS, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING ENGLISH TEACHER FOR ME. NOW I'M OFTEN TO OPEN DICTIONARY AGAIN

22nd April 2007, 10:23 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Great job!!!! Just love this keris!!!!

22nd April 2007, 05:46 PM	#5
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi David, you might right. As I said, I'm not experience enought for this subject and stil want to learn about it. Anyway, price I bought just a bit more I guess for this one. Because this keris was my ordered to a friend and He probebly look around whole LOMBOK to find this keris. But it's oke. EXPERIENCE/EDUCATION about this subject is more important for me. Dave, price you asked? hhhhmmmmm hhmmmm hhhmmmmmm hhmm Oke, I'll tell you...BUT ssssssssttttt...don't tell to Rick,oke? (Rp 1,7 jt). But Now, I have to think sending cost + TAX !!! OHH!!!! OHHH!! HELP? OHH!!! MUNICH is eeeexxpensive Dave! ALAMAAAAAAAKKK................!!!!! INAAAAAAAKKKK........!!!!!!

22nd April 2007, 07:06 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Actually i wasn't really asking you exactly how much you paid for this keris, that would be rude. Instead i was suggesting that if you consider for yourself how much you paid that information might aid in determining whether this dapur is original or altered work. As for the taxes, i can certainly relate...but alas, there is not a damn thing we can do about them...Life, Death and Taxes...i am afraid there is little else...oh, and keris of course!

24th April 2007, 04:22 AM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Nice collection. Are these all yours or do they belong to your dealer friend?