OLD OR JUNK?

simatua · 18th April 2007, 12:31 PM

Nice piece .
Clean it up.

I am not sure or the 2nd kembang katjang (telaleh gadjah) is added later on ?
The 2nd lambeh gadjah looks a little different too.
After cleaning and washing the keris will be sure look better, but also spurs of modifications will occur more.

Marcokeris · 18th April 2007, 01:25 PM

Also in my opinion no a junk!
The keris could be from Lombok and the blade seems to had been in contact with lemon or lime juice

brekele · 18th April 2007, 07:46 PM

Hi GUYS, that's what I thought too. (KARNO TINANDING).
But 6 luk on top? hhmm

My opinion would say, M A Y B E....the EMPU who made this blade just copy the original KARNO TINANDING style (let say first pakem in era before) and change it little bit with luk. Because I'm agree with Rick about age (my thought was around 70-80 yrs).
Guys sorry, It is just like teory of reality from A KING who copied a castle of A GREAT KING'S castle.

Is it reasonable GUYS? YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE?

For Emanuel, your eyes it is really like Superman (seriously)!!!.
I'm quite often to get pictures with dirty blades. So, I will show you again another one someday.

And Newsteel, yes it is!!!! blade was found in LOMBOK ISLAND.
I'll bring blade back to forum (of course cleaned condition) to respecting your opinion and all members in this forum.
(I hope that blade come to my hand safe and nicely).

GUYS, THANK YOU ALL

cahaya · 19th April 2007, 02:45 AM

[QUOTE=Alam]
....Pandawa Karno Tinanding.......

Hai. Alam....
Pandawa means = 5 people (Wayang stories) , so if keris Pandawa Karno Tinanding must be 5 luk not 6 or 7 luk....

thanks Alam

Alam Shah · 19th April 2007, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cahaya

Hai. Alam.... Pandawa means = 5 people (Wayang stories) , so if keris Pandawa Karno Tinanding must be 5 luk not 6 or 7 luk....

thanks Alam

Thank you cahaya. Perhaps you're right.

Pangeran Datu · 19th April 2007, 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=cahaya]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam

....Pandawa Karno Tinanding.......

Hai. Alam....
Pandawa means = 5 people (Wayang stories) , so if keris Pandawa Karno Tinanding must be 5 luk not 6 or 7 luk....

thanks Alam

Hi all,

Just a quick note:
- Strictly speaking, Pandawa does not mean five. In the Mahabharata epic, Pandawa was the name of the five Bharata brothers (heroes), sons of Pandhu. They are referred to as: Pancha Pandhava (Sanskrit)/Pandawa Lima (Indo)/Pandawa Five.
However, in Indo, some people do take the word Pandawa to be synonymous with five.

Although the Dapur Pandawa (and its variations) is merely a subset of the dapurs for the 5-Eluk keris, many people in Indo generally refer to ANY 5-Eluk keris as a 'Pandawa'.

- I agree that the particular keris shown above is a 7-Eluk.

- I agree that the dapur on the sor-soran in the picture looks like it is acceptable as one of the forms of Karna Tinanding. However, isn't Karna Tinanding generally restricted to straight kerises?

Anyway, just my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Cheers.

cahaya · 20th April 2007, 03:20 AM

Hi..all

you are correct pangeran datu

brekele · 20th April 2007, 07:17 AM

PANGERAN DATU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. THAT'S THIS FORUM ALL ABOUT!!! MY BIG JEMPOL RAISED UP HIGHER THAN MY HEAD FOR YOU.
Is there any kos-kos an for rent near by your house PANGERAN DATU?

THANKS
bouwneack001.

18th April 2007, 12:31 PM	#1
simatua Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 69	Nice piece . Clean it up. I am not sure or the 2nd kembang katjang (telaleh gadjah) is added later on ? The 2nd lambeh gadjah looks a little different too. After cleaning and washing the keris will be sure look better, but also spurs of modifications will occur more.

18th April 2007, 01:25 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Also in my opinion no a junk! The keris could be from Lombok and the blade seems to had been in contact with lemon or lime juice

18th April 2007, 07:46 PM	#3
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi GUYS, that's what I thought too. (KARNO TINANDING). But 6 luk on top? hhmm My opinion would say, M A Y B E....the EMPU who made this blade just copy the original KARNO TINANDING style (let say first pakem in era before) and change it little bit with luk. Because I'm agree with Rick about age (my thought was around 70-80 yrs). Guys sorry, It is just like teory of reality from A KING who copied a castle of A GREAT KING'S castle. Is it reasonable GUYS? YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE? For Emanuel, your eyes it is really like Superman (seriously)!!!. I'm quite often to get pictures with dirty blades. So, I will show you again another one someday. And Newsteel, yes it is!!!! blade was found in LOMBOK ISLAND. I'll bring blade back to forum (of course cleaned condition) to respecting your opinion and all members in this forum. (I hope that blade come to my hand safe and nicely). GUYS, THANK YOU ALL

19th April 2007, 02:45 AM	#4
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	[QUOTE=Alam] ....Pandawa Karno Tinanding....... Hai. Alam.... Pandawa means = 5 people (Wayang stories) , so if keris Pandawa Karno Tinanding must be 5 luk not 6 or 7 luk.... thanks Alam

20th April 2007, 03:20 AM	#7
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	Hi..all you are correct pangeran datu

20th April 2007, 07:17 AM	#8
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	PANGERAN DATU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. THAT'S THIS FORUM ALL ABOUT!!! MY BIG JEMPOL RAISED UP HIGHER THAN MY HEAD FOR YOU. Is there any kos-kos an for rent near by your house PANGERAN DATU? THANKS bouwneack001.