OLD OR JUNK?

Emanuel · 17th April 2007, 09:58 PM

No no, not junk at all! I think this is a very nice Balinese piece. It could do with a clean and etch. I can't tell the age, and I do not know the dapur, although I've seen it before. Maybe not too old? but looks good to me.

Regards,
Emanuel

Rick · 17th April 2007, 11:26 PM

Karna Tinanding ?
1900 - pre WW2 ?

Newsteel · 18th April 2007, 01:27 AM

A little cleaning and etching would be better to judge the blade profile. I don't think this piece is a junk at all. This is rather a good and rare dapur (Karna Tinanding) with long straight blade and luks 5 or 7 at near tip. One exceptional detail is that one kembang kacang has jenggot and other is plain smooth curve. Fittings are of Balinese style (maybe Lombok). How old...? I'm not sure but assume this could be dated end 19th century.

Again, would appreaciate if this blade is clean and etch so that we could comment further.

cahaya · 18th April 2007, 03:29 AM

Hi Rick...
As I know Karna Tinanding is straight keris, but this keris at the top (ujung keris) have 6 luk?

Alam Shah · 18th April 2007, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cahaya

Hi Rick...
As I know Karna Tinanding is straight keris, but this keris at the top (ujung keris) have 6 luk?

I believe it's, dapur Pandawa Karna Tinanding. I counted 7 luks. Not junk in my opinion.

The yellowish stain to the blade may be due to improper cleaning.

simatua · 18th April 2007, 12:31 PM

Nice piece .
Clean it up.

I am not sure or the 2nd kembang katjang (telaleh gadjah) is added later on ?
The 2nd lambeh gadjah looks a little different too.
After cleaning and washing the keris will be sure look better, but also spurs of modifications will occur more.

Marcokeris · 18th April 2007, 01:25 PM

Also in my opinion no a junk!
The keris could be from Lombok and the blade seems to had been in contact with lemon or lime juice

brekele · 18th April 2007, 07:46 PM

Hi GUYS, that's what I thought too. (KARNO TINANDING).
But 6 luk on top? hhmm

My opinion would say, M A Y B E....the EMPU who made this blade just copy the original KARNO TINANDING style (let say first pakem in era before) and change it little bit with luk. Because I'm agree with Rick about age (my thought was around 70-80 yrs).
Guys sorry, It is just like teory of reality from A KING who copied a castle of A GREAT KING'S castle.

Is it reasonable GUYS? YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE?

For Emanuel, your eyes it is really like Superman (seriously)!!!.
I'm quite often to get pictures with dirty blades. So, I will show you again another one someday.

And Newsteel, yes it is!!!! blade was found in LOMBOK ISLAND.
I'll bring blade back to forum (of course cleaned condition) to respecting your opinion and all members in this forum.
(I hope that blade come to my hand safe and nicely).

GUYS, THANK YOU ALL

17th April 2007, 11:26 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Dapur / Age Karna Tinanding ? 1900 - pre WW2 ?

17th April 2007, 09:58 PM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	No no, not junk at all! I think this is a very nice Balinese piece. It could do with a clean and etch. I can't tell the age, and I do not know the dapur, although I've seen it before. Maybe not too old? but looks good to me. Regards, Emanuel

18th April 2007, 01:27 AM	#3
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	A little cleaning and etching would be better to judge the blade profile. I don't think this piece is a junk at all. This is rather a good and rare dapur (Karna Tinanding) with long straight blade and luks 5 or 7 at near tip. One exceptional detail is that one kembang kacang has jenggot and other is plain smooth curve. Fittings are of Balinese style (maybe Lombok). How old...? I'm not sure but assume this could be dated end 19th century. Again, would appreaciate if this blade is clean and etch so that we could comment further.

18th April 2007, 03:29 AM	#4
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	Hi Rick... As I know Karna Tinanding is straight keris, but this keris at the top (ujung keris) have 6 luk?

18th April 2007, 12:31 PM	#6
simatua Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 69	Nice piece . Clean it up. I am not sure or the 2nd kembang katjang (telaleh gadjah) is added later on ? The 2nd lambeh gadjah looks a little different too. After cleaning and washing the keris will be sure look better, but also spurs of modifications will occur more.

18th April 2007, 01:25 PM	#7
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Also in my opinion no a junk! The keris could be from Lombok and the blade seems to had been in contact with lemon or lime juice

18th April 2007, 07:46 PM	#8
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi GUYS, that's what I thought too. (KARNO TINANDING). But 6 luk on top? hhmm My opinion would say, M A Y B E....the EMPU who made this blade just copy the original KARNO TINANDING style (let say first pakem in era before) and change it little bit with luk. Because I'm agree with Rick about age (my thought was around 70-80 yrs). Guys sorry, It is just like teory of reality from A KING who copied a castle of A GREAT KING'S castle. Is it reasonable GUYS? YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE? For Emanuel, your eyes it is really like Superman (seriously)!!!. I'm quite often to get pictures with dirty blades. So, I will show you again another one someday. And Newsteel, yes it is!!!! blade was found in LOMBOK ISLAND. I'll bring blade back to forum (of course cleaned condition) to respecting your opinion and all members in this forum. (I hope that blade come to my hand safe and nicely). GUYS, THANK YOU ALL