Pamor Staining in the UK?

Marcokeris · 10th April 2007, 08:49 AM

Some years ago, in Italy i bought realgar in a mineral shop and after i used it on a keris blade. The result was bad: at the and of the process (in a solution of realgar's dust and lemon) over the keris' blade remained a very thin coating of yellow /orange dust (sulphur?) and was very difficult to remove this dust.
On the contrary pink realgar buyed in indonesia never leaves residual matter sticked on the blade .

David · 10th April 2007, 01:42 PM

Thanks Alan. Though a difficult question you still managed to tell me what i wanted to know.

A. G. Maisey · 11th April 2007, 03:27 AM

Marco, lemons are no good to use in staining. Only lime juice is going to give a correct result. Don't ask me why, I don't know, but I've tried lemon juice a number of times, usually because limes were too expensive or unavailable at the time, and I've never yet had an acceptable result from lemon juice.

When you say a residue was left on the blade, did you allow the realgar to settle to the bottom of the liquid first? When you mix the warangan---or realgar--- into the juice you should wait about half an hour before you begin to use the suspension---note:- it is a suspension, not a solution.

Secondly, did you rinse thoroughly between each application of the liquid, and dry prior to beginning the subsequent applications?

Thirdly, did you rinse thoroughly, pat dry and sun dry the final application?

The warangan that I have bought in Solo varies a lot in colour, from white/yellow, to white, to yellow, to reddish yellow, to red, and all shades and combinations of shade in between.

Marcokeris · 11th April 2007, 11:13 AM

Alan thanks for your answer.
I never rinse by water between each application of the liquid prior to beginning the subsequent applications. I only dry the blade in a "non direct sunlight" place (do i wrong?)
Yes, after final application i rinse thouroughly but... when i put the blade to dry sometimes rust comes on the blade (but if i put weapon oil over the blade before to dry it the rust don't comes)
I use western lemon with (in my opinion) good outcome (maybe with indonesian limes it will be better but is not possible to find them in my cowntry). Some years ago I bought in a italian market some "brasilian" limes and used them with the same outcomes (but these limes, on the contrary of indonesian limes, didn't have any seed inside)
The warangan i usually buy in Yogya is the same colour you say . It is very expensive (80.000/100.000 rp for one gram) on the contrary of white warangan for rats.The dust is rather withe with very-very little cristal orange residual (in lemon juice).

A. G. Maisey · 12th April 2007, 04:11 AM

I just got blasted by FIREFOX.

Wrote a long an informative post on staining and then FIREFOX interupted me with updates and everything was lost. Great browser. Lousy manners.

Not going to write it again. Might some other time.

David · 12th April 2007, 04:16 AM

Hey Alan, that's certainly a teaser!

I hope you do decide to share this info with us soon, rude browsers not withstanding.

Alam Shah · 12th April 2007, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

...Wrote a long an informative post on staining and then ... everything was lost...

Sometimes it happens...

Usually, I take it as a 'hint', it's not time to write...

Tip: for long post, it might be a good idea to write using a text editor like notepad, wordpad (... or what have you). Afterwhich copy and paste, and smileys... viola.

Pusaka · 12th April 2007, 08:02 AM

The basics are given here on how to clean the keris blade etc

http://old.blades.free.fr/keris/intr...ah/siraman.htm

10th April 2007, 08:49 AM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Some years ago, in Italy i bought realgar in a mineral shop and after i used it on a keris blade. The result was bad: at the and of the process (in a solution of realgar's dust and lemon) over the keris' blade remained a very thin coating of yellow /orange dust (sulphur?) and was very difficult to remove this dust. On the contrary pink realgar buyed in indonesia never leaves residual matter sticked on the blade .

10th April 2007, 01:42 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Thanks Alan. Though a difficult question you still managed to tell me what i wanted to know.

11th April 2007, 03:27 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Marco, lemons are no good to use in staining. Only lime juice is going to give a correct result. Don't ask me why, I don't know, but I've tried lemon juice a number of times, usually because limes were too expensive or unavailable at the time, and I've never yet had an acceptable result from lemon juice. When you say a residue was left on the blade, did you allow the realgar to settle to the bottom of the liquid first? When you mix the warangan---or realgar--- into the juice you should wait about half an hour before you begin to use the suspension---note:- it is a suspension, not a solution. Secondly, did you rinse thoroughly between each application of the liquid, and dry prior to beginning the subsequent applications? Thirdly, did you rinse thoroughly, pat dry and sun dry the final application? The warangan that I have bought in Solo varies a lot in colour, from white/yellow, to white, to yellow, to reddish yellow, to red, and all shades and combinations of shade in between.

11th April 2007, 11:13 AM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Alan thanks for your answer. I never rinse by water between each application of the liquid prior to beginning the subsequent applications. I only dry the blade in a "non direct sunlight" place (do i wrong?) Yes, after final application i rinse thouroughly but... when i put the blade to dry sometimes rust comes on the blade (but if i put weapon oil over the blade before to dry it the rust don't comes) I use western lemon with (in my opinion) good outcome (maybe with indonesian limes it will be better but is not possible to find them in my cowntry). Some years ago I bought in a italian market some "brasilian" limes and used them with the same outcomes (but these limes, on the contrary of indonesian limes, didn't have any seed inside) The warangan i usually buy in Yogya is the same colour you say . It is very expensive (80.000/100.000 rp for one gram) on the contrary of white warangan for rats.The dust is rather withe with very-very little cristal orange residual (in lemon juice).

12th April 2007, 04:11 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I just got blasted by FIREFOX. Wrote a long an informative post on staining and then FIREFOX interupted me with updates and everything was lost. Great browser. Lousy manners. Not going to write it again. Might some other time.

12th April 2007, 04:16 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Hey Alan, that's certainly a teaser! I hope you do decide to share this info with us soon, rude browsers not withstanding.

12th April 2007, 08:02 AM	#8
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	The basics are given here on how to clean the keris blade etc http://old.blades.free.fr/keris/intr...ah/siraman.htm