Very Interesting Indian sword for discussion

B.I · 24th February 2005, 08:45 AM

hi jim,
i agree, that its difficult to criticise authors that you may not completely agree with, but still hold in great esteem for the efforts and work they provided. i suppose if you take any book and just pull out the raw facts, without the opinions and lifted data, then you wouldnt be left with much (a lot of pictures). i respect all authours for having the guts, and the time and inclination to publish. i respect tirris efforts as, whether you agree or disagree with him, its still a useful book.
all we can do is note references and influences, as all else is speculation. whether we agree on other opinions or not, i suppose we have to respect them as they have founding as much as your own (as long as it clearly stated to be speculation

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my feeling has always been south and the floral quillions in jens' image shows this influence. the mysore pieces from tipu/hyder ali also show this, and the pieces in the clive collection back this up. however, the floral quillion was also prevelant on mughal miniatures from the north and so this feeling lends towards assumption. when hard data lacks, all you have to go by is your own feeling and experiences, but this doesnt lend to a forum discussion. if some forum members start to discuss their true inner feelings, i feel psychiatrists and agony aunts would need to moderate instead and poor andrew would need a comfortable sofa and some ink blot images to run this forum

Andrew · 25th February 2005, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by B.I

if some forum members start to discuss their true inner feelings, i feel psychiatrists and agony aunts would need to moderate instead and poor andrew would need a comfortable sofa and some ink blot images to run this forum

So do you want to tell me about your parents now or later, Brian?

Andrew · 25th February 2005, 06:26 AM

I've defended works like Stone's in the past, and will continue to do so. Every published work contributes to our collective knowlege in some way, even with mistakes.

tom hyle · 25th February 2005, 02:07 PM

True, and people were only working with what they had available. It's frustrating to think they were closer to the source in time, but modern Western researchers have probably become somewhat more culturally open, and that helps. R.E. Howard, who sometimes seems silly by today's standards, was pretty well state of the art on anthropology and history and not bad on archaeology, for his time. Also, despite common criticism to the contrary, and his acceptance of the racial/tribal realities that dominated his time and all of human history (our time too, though people are in denial), he took occasions to get in little digs against divisionism (things like "Do you mean to tell me you're going to take the side of a Mohammedan against a man of your own race?!" "Yes, that's what I mean....")....oh, and in the stories he actually wrote, Conan used his brain (the challenge of the situation was often that his muscle an physical ability weren't enough alone), and his characters did exhibit considerable mental variety, which is why the converted stories throw the C-man's personality in annoyingly uncharacteristic directions...........off topic? Where's my dang map?

24th February 2005, 08:45 AM	#1
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi jim, i agree, that its difficult to criticise authors that you may not completely agree with, but still hold in great esteem for the efforts and work they provided. i suppose if you take any book and just pull out the raw facts, without the opinions and lifted data, then you wouldnt be left with much (a lot of pictures). i respect all authours for having the guts, and the time and inclination to publish. i respect tirris efforts as, whether you agree or disagree with him, its still a useful book. all we can do is note references and influences, as all else is speculation. whether we agree on other opinions or not, i suppose we have to respect them as they have founding as much as your own (as long as it clearly stated to be speculation ). my feeling has always been south and the floral quillions in jens' image shows this influence. the mysore pieces from tipu/hyder ali also show this, and the pieces in the clive collection back this up. however, the floral quillion was also prevelant on mughal miniatures from the north and so this feeling lends towards assumption. when hard data lacks, all you have to go by is your own feeling and experiences, but this doesnt lend to a forum discussion. if some forum members start to discuss their true inner feelings, i feel psychiatrists and agony aunts would need to moderate instead and poor andrew would need a comfortable sofa and some ink blot images to run this forum

25th February 2005, 06:26 AM	#3
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I've defended works like Stone's in the past, and will continue to do so. Every published work contributes to our collective knowlege in some way, even with mistakes.

25th February 2005, 02:07 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	True, and people were only working with what they had available. It's frustrating to think they were closer to the source in time, but modern Western researchers have probably become somewhat more culturally open, and that helps. R.E. Howard, who sometimes seems silly by today's standards, was pretty well state of the art on anthropology and history and not bad on archaeology, for his time. Also, despite common criticism to the contrary, and his acceptance of the racial/tribal realities that dominated his time and all of human history (our time too, though people are in denial), he took occasions to get in little digs against divisionism (things like "Do you mean to tell me you're going to take the side of a Mohammedan against a man of your own race?!" "Yes, that's what I mean....")....oh, and in the stories he actually wrote, Conan used his brain (the challenge of the situation was often that his muscle an physical ability weren't enough alone), and his characters did exhibit considerable mental variety, which is why the converted stories throw the C-man's personality in annoyingly uncharacteristic directions...........off topic? Where's my dang map?