Rare Dayak Daggers - Sadop and Dohong

Dajak · 19th February 2007, 07:30 PM

Hi Michael nice to see those rare knife s

here an picture off an big pisau rau

Ben

VVV · 19th February 2007, 07:58 PM

Interesting variation Ben!

I have to find a large one like that myself

Michael

Dajak · 20th February 2007, 07:43 PM

Hi Michael look how he is holding the little Knife

Ben

VVV · 20th February 2007, 08:14 PM

Interesting!

Thanks for the reference picture.

Michael

Dajak · 25th February 2007, 12:38 PM

About the dohun here on an soul boat pictured in Hornbill and dragon we see
that they are spears not intended too be swords

Ben

VVV · 26th February 2007, 04:19 PM

Seems to be the tree of life with a Dohun at the top.
Just like described in the Schärer book:

"The trunk of the Tree of Life consists of the sacred spear, its roots ends in spearpoints, and it is flanked by daggers."

Michael

asomotif · 29th June 2007, 01:43 PM

There was an interesting discussion on the swap forum on dohongs.

at a certain moment there was a claim that dohongs were pure ritual weapons, as there are no pictures of dayak fighting with dohongs.
But also other claims have been made :

quote-
The Dohong was most likely the traditional sword/knife before the mandau.
So most Dohongs are from before 1850 and there are not many in museum collections.-unquote

But previous in this same thread nov 9th 2006 :

quote-
[I]There are some drawings that show s Dajaks with blowgun and parang-ilang but never see one with Dohun or daggers that is in my opinion not so old on Borneo as the sword the dajaks Used
The daggers have Arabic moslim influence .[I]-unquote

so we have the opinion that the dohongs were there before the mandaus...
And than the opinion that the dohongs are not as old as dajak swords...
(strange enough by the same person)

I am hardly an expert and mostly atracted by form of waepons.
But what could / would be the thruth on dohongs / sadaps ?

Does anybody have pictures/drawings of these waepons being used at all ?

Bill M · 29th June 2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Seems to be the tree of life with a Dohun at the top.

Michael

Kether?

19th February 2007, 07:30 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael nice to see those rare knife s here an picture off an big pisau rau Ben Attached Images

20th February 2007, 07:43 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael look how he is holding the little Knife Ben Attached Images

25th February 2007, 12:38 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	About the dohun here on an soul boat pictured in Hornbill and dragon we see that they are spears not intended too be swords Ben Attached Images

29th June 2007, 01:43 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	oops, there is the Dohong / sadap thread again There was an interesting discussion on the swap forum on dohongs. at a certain moment there was a claim that dohongs were pure ritual weapons, as there are no pictures of dayak fighting with dohongs. But also other claims have been made : quote- The Dohong was most likely the traditional sword/knife before the mandau. So most Dohongs are from before 1850 and there are not many in museum collections.-unquote But previous in this same thread nov 9th 2006 : quote- [I]There are some drawings that show s Dajaks with blowgun and parang-ilang but never see one with Dohun or daggers that is in my opinion not so old on Borneo as the sword the dajaks Used The daggers have Arabic moslim influence .[I]-unquote so we have the opinion that the dohongs were there before the mandaus... And than the opinion that the dohongs are not as old as dajak swords... (strange enough by the same person) I am hardly an expert and mostly atracted by form of waepons. But what could / would be the thruth on dohongs / sadaps ? Does anybody have pictures/drawings of these waepons being used at all ?

19th February 2007, 07:58 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Interesting variation Ben! I have to find a large one like that myself Michael

20th February 2007, 08:14 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Interesting! Thanks for the reference picture. Michael

26th February 2007, 04:19 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Seems to be the tree of life with a Dohun at the top. Just like described in the Schärer book: "The trunk of the Tree of Life consists of the sacred spear, its roots ends in spearpoints, and it is flanked by daggers." Michael