Maasai Seme

asomotif · 16th February 2007, 01:05 PM

Dear all,

What do you think. Is this sword masai ?
I sold it some 2 years ago as masai although I was not sure at all as info was hard to find here.

Thanks and best regards,
Willem

Emanuel · 24th February 2007, 10:41 PM

Hello Willem,
Yours does look like a maasai seme...the handle is interesting though...have a look here : http://anthro.amnh.org/anthro.html in the Collections Database, then in the "African Ethnographic Collection" and search for maasai.

I just received mine, but the sword is really wedged in tightly in the scabbard. Are there any ways to loosen a scabbard? Would applying abundent oil do it?

Emanuel

Lew · 24th February 2007, 11:16 PM

Hi Willem

That is an older Massai war sword they have longer blades. Here are two from my collection. Btw your shield looks be from the Turkana tribe.

Lew

RomaRana · 26th February 2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Hi Willem

That is an older Massai war sword they have longer blades. Here are two from my collection. Btw your shield looks be from the Turkana tribe.

Lew

Louie I believe one of your swords is actually Watuta. I have been involved in a serious study of this east African sword type for about two years now.

I uncovered several prints from the 1800's illustrating several seemingly similar sword types that most would identify as a "seme." But in fact range in a wide geo-cultural area.

The one on the lower left has rings built into which is a characteristic of the watuta tribe, a branch of the Nagoni. I would also need to see it sheathed to confirm this. Watuta swords frequently (not always) exhibit a neck protrusion of 1-2 inches that are not covered by the sheath. Furthermore, sheath color confirms this fact.

East african swords need to be analyzed in terms of forging techniques such as tip shape, cross section (a very complicated subject), hilt style, sheath style, sheath color, sheath and belt motif.

These swords were made and used among too many tribal groups to list.

some are:
Maasai- Each maasai group has a different style of sword. There are at least 15 Maasai groups. Some Maasai groups actually work in blacksmithing after they were forced to adopt agriculture after the 2nd and 3rd Iloikop wars and the rinderpest epidemic of the 1890's.

Kikuyu
Chagga
Luo
Watuta
Ngoni
Sambaru

RomaRana · 26th February 2007, 01:16 AM

Manolo,

The seme you posted dates at least to 1935. This is because the development of this type of sword was probably related to the spear and weapons ordinance introduced by the British to quell the "warrior" culture of many tribal groups.

The ban lasted from 1935-1955 and did a great deal of damage to the blacksmithing culture in the region as evidenced by a drop in quality of the blades from the older type.

Jim McDougall · 26th February 2007, 04:56 AM

Outstanding information RomaRama!!!!

It is great to have such detailed data on these little discussed swords, which are most intriguing. Is there special significance to the red coloring on the scabbards?
Best regards,
Jim

RomaRana · 26th February 2007, 06:21 AM

The red scabbards are of great significance to the Maasai. The coming of the Maasai into East Africa during the Nilotic Diaspora is recorded and dated in Kikuyu oral tradition around 1750 to 1775.

This first contact and age was deemed by Routledge as the "Red Ochre Fad." Before this period there is no mention of red ochre in Kikuyu oral history, therefore the Maasai probably brought red ochre with them to the area.

This historical evidence shows that the Maasai used red as one of their tribal signifiers as far back as the 1700's. Many consider sheath color as a primary means of dating East African swords (Brown sheaths are older red newer) but the evidence suggests otherwise.

Furthermore, I have in my possession a color page printed by the Bibliogr. Institut in Lepzig in 1880. Using my antique manuscript page I noticed that two swords most would identify as Maasai were depicted side by side. They were dyed in different colors, one in red identified as Maasai and the other in brown identified as Watuta. This revelation blew the color age theory out of the water as both red and brown scabbards were historically illustrated simultaneously as of 1880.

But Maasai tribal group iconography further confuses this matter. The intensity of ochre and its symbolism is of great importance to the Maasai. Some sections prefer a reddish brown while others prefer a sanguine blood red. For example the Kisongo Maasai dislike bright reds because of its similarity to blood. This variation is easy to see in the older long sword type sheaths.

Where I am stumped is why so many newer swords exhibit an almost universal (not completely) blood red dye. I have my theories but they cannot be backed up by evidence as of yet.

FenrisWolf · 24th February 2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear all,

What do you think. Is this sword masai ?
I sold it some 2 years ago as masai although I was not sure at all as info was hard to find here.

Thanks and best regards,
Willem

What the heck is that monster behind the Seme? It looks like something out of one of those absurd Japanese Anime cartoons, where the warrior is swinging a six-foot slab of steel with one hand!

16th February 2007, 01:05 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Dear all, What do you think. Is this sword masai ? I sold it some 2 years ago as masai although I was not sure at all as info was hard to find here. Thanks and best regards, Willem Attached Images

24th February 2007, 11:16 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Willem That is an older Massai war sword they have longer blades. Here are two from my collection. Btw your shield looks be from the Turkana tribe. Lew Attached Images

24th February 2007, 10:41 PM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello Willem, Yours does look like a maasai seme...the handle is interesting though...have a look here : http://anthro.amnh.org/anthro.html in the Collections Database, then in the "African Ethnographic Collection" and search for maasai. I just received mine, but the sword is really wedged in tightly in the scabbard. Are there any ways to loosen a scabbard? Would applying abundent oil do it? Emanuel

26th February 2007, 01:16 AM	#5
RomaRana Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 58	Manolo, The seme you posted dates at least to 1935. This is because the development of this type of sword was probably related to the spear and weapons ordinance introduced by the British to quell the "warrior" culture of many tribal groups. The ban lasted from 1935-1955 and did a great deal of damage to the blacksmithing culture in the region as evidenced by a drop in quality of the blades from the older type.

26th February 2007, 04:56 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Outstanding information RomaRama!!!! It is great to have such detailed data on these little discussed swords, which are most intriguing. Is there special significance to the red coloring on the scabbards? Best regards, Jim

26th February 2007, 06:21 AM	#7
RomaRana Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 58	The red scabbards are of great significance to the Maasai. The coming of the Maasai into East Africa during the Nilotic Diaspora is recorded and dated in Kikuyu oral tradition around 1750 to 1775. This first contact and age was deemed by Routledge as the "Red Ochre Fad." Before this period there is no mention of red ochre in Kikuyu oral history, therefore the Maasai probably brought red ochre with them to the area. This historical evidence shows that the Maasai used red as one of their tribal signifiers as far back as the 1700's. Many consider sheath color as a primary means of dating East African swords (Brown sheaths are older red newer) but the evidence suggests otherwise. Furthermore, I have in my possession a color page printed by the Bibliogr. Institut in Lepzig in 1880. Using my antique manuscript page I noticed that two swords most would identify as Maasai were depicted side by side. They were dyed in different colors, one in red identified as Maasai and the other in brown identified as Watuta. This revelation blew the color age theory out of the water as both red and brown scabbards were historically illustrated simultaneously as of 1880. But Maasai tribal group iconography further confuses this matter. The intensity of ochre and its symbolism is of great importance to the Maasai. Some sections prefer a reddish brown while others prefer a sanguine blood red. For example the Kisongo Maasai dislike bright reds because of its similarity to blood. This variation is easy to see in the older long sword type sheaths. Where I am stumped is why so many newer swords exhibit an almost universal (not completely) blood red dye. I have my theories but they cannot be backed up by evidence as of yet.