Tjikeroeh swords

[Amuk Murugul]

Hello everybody,

Originally Posted by Ian

The Dutch klewang, on which the clipped-blade saber forms of these Tjikeroeh swords are based, was placed in service by the Dutch military in 1898. So it is likely that the locally copied versions post-date that time...

Ian,

Thank you very much for the information. I really appreciate it. It has made me wary.

Regards.

[asomotif]

These Tjikeroe swords are pretty common in the Netherlands. although the quality varies. The examples placed on this site are very nice.

Personally I feel that the ones that have the western look are probably made as souvernir. mentioning a place and year is something that your normally not see on indonesian weapons.
But also the more indonesian types (with wooden animal like handles) have the name and date, so probably these are also made as souvernir.

I had a nice one last year, I believe it is now in Flavio's collection.

[Dajak]

They both made for tourist the dutch and the javanese one that pictured here

There are special javanese ones that are not for tourist I think one was pictured in Zonneveld s Book

Ben

[Amuk Murugul]

Hello everybody,

Originally Posted by asomotif

... mentioning a place and year is something that your normally not see on indonesian weapons...
But also the more indonesian types (with wooden animal like handles) have the name and date, so probably these are also made as souvernir...

Assuming Ian is right about the 1890 date for the klewang, that would place it in the second decade of the Aceh War. As the war lasted thirty years, it is conceivable that during this period, KNIL needed a lot more manpower, hence HARDWARE, not only for the war effort, but also to hold the areas in the archipelago it already controlled. It seems likely that they would've tried to source as much as they could, locally.
At the time, in Sumedang Regency (close to KNIL HQ), the adjacent villages of Tjikeroeh and Tjibatoe (NOT the Cibatu of Sukabumi/Bogor of recent fame) were well-known for their foundries. So one or both of them were likely to have been commissioned by KNIL to produce klewang to their specs (which may account for their European-style appearance).
If such were the case, the foundries would have simply continued the VOC practice of marking these klewang with name and year.

As for materials used for the handles: people of the region have traditionally been very utilitarian. Handles have been made from wood, buffalo horn, antler, etc, ... even RHINO HORN (Chinese traders dicovered this and started buying up these weapons just for the handles).

Regards.

[asomotif]

The assumption that these where produced for dutch soldiers fighting in Aceh feels very unlikely. There is a big variation in models and material.
If they were made by an order of the KNIL they would not have this model.

They look more like a so-called 'hartsvanger' a sidearm that was used by hunters in the 1800's

Other option would be private purchase by soldiers for use in the Aceh war.
But they are always find in unused condition and also the model is something that I can not imagine being desired by dutch soldiers.

I have never seen these Tjikeroe waepons on pictures of soldiers from those days.

I really stick to the souvernir option.

Best regards,
Willem

Enclosed some pictures of the one I had last year and I believ to be in Flavio's collection now.

[Flavio]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Enclosed some pictures of the one I had last year and I believ to be in Flavio's collection now.

Yes, Willem you're right!!!!

[asomotif]

PS. last weekend I saw a miniature Tjikeroeh sword.
Approx 25 cms total length.

Maybe made in commssion for the smal KNIL soldiers ?
It strengthened my opnion that they are mainly tourist items.
But some of them are really well made with beautifull materials as this thread clearly shows. Sure worth collecting

[VVV]

Originally Posted by asomotif

PS. last weekend I saw a miniature Tjikeroeh sword.
Approx 25 cms total length.

Willem,

Here is one of mine that's 27 cm, excl. scabbard.
Did it look the same?

Michael