Dahb Thai, Japanese swords and hybrids

RhysMichael · 2nd February 2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PUFF

I do agree with you that the piece shouldn't be classified as Dahb. But it 's not unique to the island part. Parang style weapons are also exist in mainland Malaya peninsular too. This one is a good example

The forge-weld blade 's made in wakisashi profile (3rd blade from top of this rack). It 's made with keris/badik technique. There is a document that in the 19th cent., similar blades were made and the Siamese king sent "keris-patterned Japanese sword" out as a diplomatic item.

I knew there were Thai keris so it makes sense there are Thai parang type weapons I just never had seen or even considered it myself. Do you know of many other thai swords with the naga style hilt ?

As to the forge welding, I love the many varied styles of forge welding. I would like to see more of the "keris patterned" Thai made swords and see if they have more of a pamor look or more of the hairpin folding look of these.

Again Thanks

Mark · 2nd February 2007, 04:23 PM

I'll try and get a photo of the pattern-welded Thai "katana" at the Smithsonian. Its a beautiful sword.

RhysMichael · 2nd February 2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark

I'll try and get a photo of the pattern-welded Thai "katana" at the Smithsonian. Its a beautiful sword.

If you have time that would be great, thanks

wilked aka Khun Deng · 3rd February 2007, 05:24 AM

Puff you are treasure all by yourself and I'm kicking myself for not contacting you as I was in Bangkok for the last three weeks and would have given much to have attended that seminar. You are confirming and adding to much of what I have already learned. (especially liked the "Don't Touch" sign in the photos

Thanks

Rhys, the parang was not an unusual weapon to central Thailand nor was the keris. They were in use by officers in the royal court, at least if information and the examples at the arms room of the Royal palace is correct.

Dan

PUFF · 4th February 2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wilked aka Khun Deng

Puff you are treasure all by yourself and I'm kicking myself for not contacting you as I was in Bangkok for the last three weeks and would have given much to have attended that seminar. You are confirming and adding to much of what I have already learned. (especially liked the "Don't Touch" sign in the photos

Thanks

Rhys, the parang was not an unusual weapon to central Thailand nor was the keris. They were in use by officers in the royal court, at least if information and the examples at the arms room of the Royal palace is correct.

Dan

And if you didn't go for the movie, please make sure that you kick yourself twice.

wilked aka Khun Deng · 5th February 2007, 04:14 AM

Yes I am kicking myself over that also, but I did get a King Naresuan polo shirt and hat at 7-11

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Seriously, I've been out of touch with the forum for well over a year because of work (has it really been that long?) and the few posts I've managed to catch up on have shown me that you are the native resource that the rest of us Dha Guys have been looking for.

Andrew I'll need Puff's help with the translation it labels the swords from top to bottom. All start with Pra- sang- daab which literally translates as royal object - sword, it's the last syllable that is unfamiliar to me.

REALLY glad to be back.

Dang

Mark · 5th February 2007, 03:12 PM

As it turns out, the entire Smithsonian Museum of American History is closed for renovations until the summer of '08.

Hard to believe that they would close the whole thing for that long.

Here is a passage about Thais keris that we have quoted a few times, from the 17th century travel account of de la Loubere, "A New Historical Relations of the Kingdon of Siam" (1693). He defines a Thai word, "krid" as "a dagger which the king give to the mandarins, and then states:

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They wear it thrust into a Girdle on the left side, but very much before. The Europeans do corruptly call it Crist

pp. 167-168.

I have several references to the deportation of war captives by the Khmer, Thai, and Burmese, but looking at my notes I do not have complete citations, so I need to go back and confirm in a couple cases which of a particular author's works I was quoting. It takes some time to crawl through the bad handwriting of my notes, unfortunately.

2nd February 2007, 04:23 PM	#2
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I'll try and get a photo of the pattern-welded Thai "katana" at the Smithsonian. Its a beautiful sword.

3rd February 2007, 05:24 AM	#4
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Puff you are treasure all by yourself and I'm kicking myself for not contacting you as I was in Bangkok for the last three weeks and would have given much to have attended that seminar. You are confirming and adding to much of what I have already learned. (especially liked the "Don't Touch" sign in the photos Thanks Rhys, the parang was not an unusual weapon to central Thailand nor was the keris. They were in use by officers in the royal court, at least if information and the examples at the arms room of the Royal palace is correct. Dan

5th February 2007, 04:14 AM	#6
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Yes I am kicking myself over that also, but I did get a King Naresuan polo shirt and hat at 7-11 . Seriously, I've been out of touch with the forum for well over a year because of work (has it really been that long?) and the few posts I've managed to catch up on have shown me that you are the native resource that the rest of us Dha Guys have been looking for. Andrew I'll need Puff's help with the translation it labels the swords from top to bottom. All start with Pra- sang- daab which literally translates as royal object - sword, it's the last syllable that is unfamiliar to me. REALLY glad to be back. Dang