Wehrmacht officers dagger

Philip · 11th January 2007, 07:35 AM

PC-ness can be taken too far; this is an edged weapons forum and Nazi daggers do have edges, and it's possible to discuss these without having to discuss Nazism (or any other political system) itself at a venue such as this.

Some folks might quibble about Nazi daggers and swords being "weapons" at all since they are for the most part more decorative than functional. You can call them "sword-like objects", but these daggers are significant as regalia or symbolic accouterments, such as European coronation swords or the "guom" sabers carried by Vietnamese military mandarins.

The concerns about authenticity are common to just about any other aspect of edged weapons collecting. How to tell the wheat from the chaff is something of growing importance in many fields (Chinese, Indian, Indonesian, to name a few) as the reproductions are ever more prevalent and in many cases have gotten more and more sophisticated.

Andrew · 11th January 2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip

PC-ness can be taken too far; this is an edged weapons forum and Nazi daggers do have edges, and it's possible to discuss these without having to discuss Nazism (or any other political system) itself at a venue such as this.

Exactly. Thanks, Philip.

Dajak · 11th January 2007, 05:24 PM

Hi I only know that for the real old pieces with history paid realy high prices
starting 2 or 3 times more than than this one

Ben

Henk · 11th January 2007, 06:08 PM

These weapons are no ethnographic weapons, but certainly edged weapons.

As said discussing these weapons is in my opinion no problem. We are discussing a weapon and not a political system.

I know that there are many colectors of these military weapons. If you want to purchase such a weapon go to a collectors fair. Talk with collectors and try to find a reliable seller who has knowledge of these things. On these fairs you get fast enough the directions where you have to go.

fenlander · 12th January 2007, 12:16 PM

Actually although the weapons are expensive on his site, for what they claim to be they don't seem expensive enough.

CharlesS · 12th January 2007, 02:04 PM

There are plenty of over venues for such pieces. I do not think it qualifies as an ethnographic piece, and is hardly antique.

I do not believe this type of piece belongs on this particular forum, lest we open ourselves up for far more examples that fall far outside the intended study of this forum.

Sorry. I disagree with some of you, but disagreement is not such a terrible thing.

Mark · 12th January 2007, 03:15 PM

I just made a post on the topic of what is "ethnographic" in this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0177#post40177

12th January 2007, 12:16 PM	#5
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	thanks Actually although the weapons are expensive on his site, for what they claim to be they don't seem expensive enough.

11th January 2007, 07:35 AM	#1
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	PC-ness can be taken too far; this is an edged weapons forum and Nazi daggers do have edges, and it's possible to discuss these without having to discuss Nazism (or any other political system) itself at a venue such as this. Some folks might quibble about Nazi daggers and swords being "weapons" at all since they are for the most part more decorative than functional. You can call them "sword-like objects", but these daggers are significant as regalia or symbolic accouterments, such as European coronation swords or the "guom" sabers carried by Vietnamese military mandarins. The concerns about authenticity are common to just about any other aspect of edged weapons collecting. How to tell the wheat from the chaff is something of growing importance in many fields (Chinese, Indian, Indonesian, to name a few) as the reproductions are ever more prevalent and in many cases have gotten more and more sophisticated.

11th January 2007, 05:24 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi I only know that for the real old pieces with history paid realy high prices starting 2 or 3 times more than than this one Ben

11th January 2007, 06:08 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	These weapons are no ethnographic weapons, but certainly edged weapons. As said discussing these weapons is in my opinion no problem. We are discussing a weapon and not a political system. I know that there are many colectors of these military weapons. If you want to purchase such a weapon go to a collectors fair. Talk with collectors and try to find a reliable seller who has knowledge of these things. On these fairs you get fast enough the directions where you have to go.

12th January 2007, 02:04 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	There are plenty of over venues for such pieces. I do not think it qualifies as an ethnographic piece, and is hardly antique. I do not believe this type of piece belongs on this particular forum, lest we open ourselves up for far more examples that fall far outside the intended study of this forum. Sorry. I disagree with some of you, but disagreement is not such a terrible thing.

12th January 2007, 03:15 PM	#7
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I just made a post on the topic of what is "ethnographic" in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0177#post40177