Carved Dayak Ear Ring

asomotif · 9th January 2007, 11:57 AM

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The bear will be the Sun Bear / Helarctos Malaynus, Sloth Bears do not live on Borneo. The Sun Bear is on Cites list I, being near threathned by loss of habitat due to deforesting and hunting for their fur and for chinese medicines.
I must say, the more I find out about this the more I feel people should avoid buying these objects. The brown skull you see in this thread are almost certainly very recently killed animals. The skulls are covered with some brown colour to give the idea of age. However age has nothing to do with it.
I think these all come from a certain ebay seller that ships from Bali.

The horse skull looks like Timor tourist material, and the human skull is Borneo and depicted in a catalogue to an exhibition from the Coppens collection.

But, still no pictures of good old Hornbill earrings from Borneo.
really none amongst the Vikinsword members ?

Bill M · 9th January 2007, 01:43 PM

I guess we don't collect earrings much, my only HB earring is the one starting this thread. However I have a few other Dayak carved pieces. Here is a complete HB skull. I would doubt it is old.

My wife keeps it in her "kitchen gallery" on top of the microwave.

I also have a few more HB pieces that are part of Dayak "belt decorations," (beads and bells) and a recent, but nicely done boar skull.

Dajak · 9th January 2007, 09:12 PM

Hi Willem the real old hornbill earrings are very rare and can mostly only find in the museums the last old one s I did see at an gallery in Amsterdam
but the price was to high for me

Ben

ronpakis · 10th January 2007, 07:12 PM

hi ben,

did that one happen to be from polak? if so i was wondering what the price was. i did see it at pan amsterdam but after i heared the price of other items i did not dare to ask what that might cost.

greetings, sander

Dajak · 11th January 2007, 05:28 PM

Yes it was Polak his prices are high but also the quality

I was in 1982 at Kunst en Kits with an madjopahit kriss ( I stil have the tape and the kris )
he examen this one and by than he says it was worth 1450,00 guilders
And tryed after the tv show it to buy from me for 1600,00 guilders that was funny

But he have high class stuff

regards Ben

ronpakis · 11th January 2007, 06:15 PM

i saw his stuff at the pan and yes very high quality. it's funny but i also had the feeling that he often values things lesser than what he would sell it for. of course you'll also pay for "the name" but after my visit at the pan i had a very good feeling about my own collection. have you seen the karo batak earrings also? i wanted to buy those but again prices to high for me.

greetings sander

Bill M · 11th January 2007, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Yes it was Polak his prices are high but also the quality

I was in 1982 at Kunst en Kits with an madjopahit kriss ( I stil have the tape and the kris )
he examen this one and by than he says it was worth 1450,00 guilders
And tryed after the tv show it to buy from me for 1600,00 guilders that was funny

But he have high class stuff

regards Ben

Hi Ben,

Don't quite understand. 1450 guilders is about $850USD. This does not seem a lot of money for a good Majapahit keris. Are you saying that he offered a low price?

asomotif · 12th January 2007, 08:05 AM

How were prices in 1982 ?

I was 13 years and on an allowance of about Usd 5 a week

9th January 2007, 01:43 PM	#2
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I guess we don't collect earrings much, my only HB earring is the one starting this thread. However I have a few other Dayak carved pieces. Here is a complete HB skull. I would doubt it is old. My wife keeps it in her "kitchen gallery" on top of the microwave. I also have a few more HB pieces that are part of Dayak "belt decorations," (beads and bells) and a recent, but nicely done boar skull. Attached Images

10th January 2007, 07:12 PM	#4
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	hb in amsterdam hi ben, did that one happen to be from polak? if so i was wondering what the price was. i did see it at pan amsterdam but after i heared the price of other items i did not dare to ask what that might cost. greetings, sander

11th January 2007, 06:15 PM	#6
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	polak i saw his stuff at the pan and yes very high quality. it's funny but i also had the feeling that he often values things lesser than what he would sell it for. of course you'll also pay for "the name" but after my visit at the pan i had a very good feeling about my own collection. have you seen the karo batak earrings also? i wanted to buy those but again prices to high for me. greetings sander

9th January 2007, 11:57 AM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	[/QUOTE] The bear will be the Sun Bear / Helarctos Malaynus, Sloth Bears do not live on Borneo. The Sun Bear is on Cites list I, being near threathned by loss of habitat due to deforesting and hunting for their fur and for chinese medicines. I must say, the more I find out about this the more I feel people should avoid buying these objects. The brown skull you see in this thread are almost certainly very recently killed animals. The skulls are covered with some brown colour to give the idea of age. However age has nothing to do with it. I think these all come from a certain ebay seller that ships from Bali. The horse skull looks like Timor tourist material, and the human skull is Borneo and depicted in a catalogue to an exhibition from the Coppens collection. But, still no pictures of good old Hornbill earrings from Borneo. really none amongst the Vikinsword members ?

9th January 2007, 09:12 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Willem the real old hornbill earrings are very rare and can mostly only find in the museums the last old one s I did see at an gallery in Amsterdam but the price was to high for me Ben

11th January 2007, 05:28 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Yes it was Polak his prices are high but also the quality I was in 1982 at Kunst en Kits with an madjopahit kriss ( I stil have the tape and the kris ) he examen this one and by than he says it was worth 1450,00 guilders And tryed after the tv show it to buy from me for 1600,00 guilders that was funny But he have high class stuff regards Ben

12th January 2007, 08:05 AM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	How were prices in 1982 ? I was 13 years and on an allowance of about Usd 5 a week