what kind of lance is this?

fernando · 6th January 2007, 08:11 PM

I ended up buying this piece.
Did a bit clean up on the blade. Actual length 10" ( 25 cms. ).Width 3/4" ( 2cms. )
Quite sharp edges ( even cut myself ). Very well designed, quite strong, with a perfect tip.
The collar mountig is actually very crude, doesn't fit into the haft with the propper harmony. I wonder if it is the genuine set.
The rattan haft is a bit bent, with three rather deep pronounced sections, with an abruptly cut off end.
Now that pictures are more clear and the blade is clean, i wonder if the opinnion given on its origin ( Borneo or Sumatra ) would
remain the same, or if something different is revealed.
Please gentlemen, your coments will be wellcome.
Thanks in advance
fernando

Rick · 6th January 2007, 08:27 PM

From the looks of the butt , this piece IMO has been cut; I was expecting to see a cap or finial for the end.
Is there any wear on the end?

As far as the rest of it goes; it looks to be what it is .

I wouldn't want to try to pin down exactly where in the Archipelago this originated.
Good job on the blade.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 08:53 PM

Thank you Rick.
Yes, you are quite right ... and i was blind. It has all signs of having been sawed off, and not so long ago.
By the way, could this be an old piece ?

Henk · 6th January 2007, 09:20 PM

IMHO I think the length of the haft is good, so I doubt it is shortened. I have two similar lances of the same length if I can judge it correctly.
I think you bought a nice lance from Sumatra.

Tim Simmons · 6th January 2007, 09:21 PM

looks like it is at least from the turn of the 19th/20th century. I like the way the halft has thicker piece glued on. I wonder why the end was cut. So you got at a good price in the end?

Rick · 6th January 2007, 09:23 PM

Judging from the 'before' pictures I think it is not new.

Tim Simmons · 6th January 2007, 09:24 PM

I will go with Henk and it is possible the end was always like that. Unless a picture show clearly over wise.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 10:29 PM

Hi Henk
I do think it is visible that the haft was cut shorter, although not necessarily a great length of it. Let's consider for example that its present length is the maximum allowed for postal transportation. I have heard cases where spear hafts are abandoned or cut shorter for such reason.
Tim, you make me fear i was blind for the second time with this piece. I was thinking that the haft was a whole cane piece, only with an unusual "jump" between the sections . Now you tell me that actually the sections were loose parts with diferent thicnesses, later put together to form the haft. Quite a bizarre solution, right ?
Yes, the price became more favourable, both in amount and currency. I swapped this lance and a vintage book cabinet ( for my daughter ) with two little pistols i wasn't interested on.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 11:05 PM

Can i call this piece a tombak ?
And the steel forging method, any characteristic name for it, rather than just plain steel ?
Thanks for help.

6th January 2007, 08:11 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Clear pictures I ended up buying this piece. Did a bit clean up on the blade. Actual length 10" ( 25 cms. ).Width 3/4" ( 2cms. ) Quite sharp edges ( even cut myself ). Very well designed, quite strong, with a perfect tip. The collar mountig is actually very crude, doesn't fit into the haft with the propper harmony. I wonder if it is the genuine set. The rattan haft is a bit bent, with three rather deep pronounced sections, with an abruptly cut off end. Now that pictures are more clear and the blade is clean, i wonder if the opinnion given on its origin ( Borneo or Sumatra ) would remain the same, or if something different is revealed. Please gentlemen, your coments will be wellcome. Thanks in advance fernando Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 6th January 2007 at 08:39 PM.

6th January 2007, 10:29 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Henk I do think it is visible that the haft was cut shorter, although not necessarily a great length of it. Let's consider for example that its present length is the maximum allowed for postal transportation. I have heard cases where spear hafts are abandoned or cut shorter for such reason. Tim, you make me fear i was blind for the second time with this piece. I was thinking that the haft was a whole cane piece, only with an unusual "jump" between the sections . Now you tell me that actually the sections were loose parts with diferent thicnesses, later put together to form the haft. Quite a bizarre solution, right ? Yes, the price became more favourable, both in amount and currency. I swapped this lance and a vintage book cabinet ( for my daughter ) with two little pistols i wasn't interested on. Attached Images

6th January 2007, 11:05 PM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	How to name it Can i call this piece a tombak ? And the steel forging method, any characteristic name for it, rather than just plain steel ? Thanks for help.

6th January 2007, 08:27 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	From the looks of the butt , this piece IMO has been cut; I was expecting to see a cap or finial for the end. Is there any wear on the end? As far as the rest of it goes; it looks to be what it is . I wouldn't want to try to pin down exactly where in the Archipelago this originated. Good job on the blade.

6th January 2007, 08:53 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Rick. Yes, you are quite right ... and i was blind. It has all signs of having been sawed off, and not so long ago. By the way, could this be an old piece ?

6th January 2007, 09:20 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	IMHO I think the length of the haft is good, so I doubt it is shortened. I have two similar lances of the same length if I can judge it correctly. I think you bought a nice lance from Sumatra.

6th January 2007, 09:21 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	looks like it is at least from the turn of the 19th/20th century. I like the way the halft has thicker piece glued on. I wonder why the end was cut. So you got at a good price in the end?

6th January 2007, 09:23 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Judging from the 'before' pictures I think it is not new.

6th January 2007, 09:24 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	I will go with Henk and it is possible the end was always like that. Unless a picture show clearly over wise.