European Executioner Sword

ariel · 24th December 2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

Just a note to Philip, in Arabia, executioners perform vertical, not horizontal cut. The victim would be sitting on his knees, the headsman would jab him in the back with the tip of his saif, then off goes his head.

Then, why does the professional Saudi Arabian executioner describes horizontal cuts?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3709

fenlander · 24th December 2006, 11:42 AM

Phillip is correct i think. As I also heard that the executioner in Saudi Arabia uses vertical cuts not horizontal. The prisoner is asked to kneel and bow their heads. Then the stroke is vertical not horizontal. One source backs that claim up, and I think Amnesty international would b reliable in these matters.
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/...riefing/8.html

S.Al-Anizi · 24th December 2006, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Then, why does the professional Saudi Arabian executioner describes horizontal cuts?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3709

I really do not know what the executioner means by using horizontal cuts, and for what, but Ive talked to people who have witnessed executions in Riyadh, and from many photos you can find on the internet, clearly, vertical, not horizontal cuts, are used.

Philip · 25th December 2006, 03:26 AM

I appreciate again your vast historical knowledge, here in the States we cannot get many books on Portugurse history so we are at a disadvantage. The info you provide indicates that the fellow at the I.D.E.S. who told me about the non-killing of bulls in Portugal may have had some dates and facts wrong. outra vez, obrigado!

I don't want to discuss the tourada/corrida further on this thread because taurine sport is off topic in this context, but if you have pics of the old Portuguese bullfighting sword, could you START A NEW THREAD to share this little-known info with us all? Maybe you can post a pic of your Spanish style "estoc" side by side for comparison purposes.

Joe · 25th December 2006, 11:43 AM

Depiction of an execution about to be performed, using a horizontal cut?

fernando · 25th December 2006, 10:51 PM

Hi Philip,
I do not have that much historical knowledge ... only a couple days browsing the Net, looking for some Portuguese material, besides a couple books and a couple notions.
I too don't want to feed any discussion in bullfighting as a topic ... this was all about swords and swording.
I once posted my Spanish estoque in this Forum, but the discussion diverted from the virtual idea.
If you wish, i can e-mail pictures to you, with some supporting info.
Kind regards
fernando

fenlander · 26th December 2006, 11:43 AM

Joe do you know aything more about the picture you posted. Where is it from i.e. which country ? Who are they etc ?

Joe · 26th December 2006, 08:30 PM

Sorry Fenlander, I don't know anything about the picture that can't be inferred from looking at it.

24th December 2006, 11:42 AM	#2
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	vertical cuts Phillip is correct i think. As I also heard that the executioner in Saudi Arabia uses vertical cuts not horizontal. The prisoner is asked to kneel and bow their heads. Then the stroke is vertical not horizontal. One source backs that claim up, and I think Amnesty international would b reliable in these matters. http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/...riefing/8.html

25th December 2006, 03:26 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Thanks, Fernando! I appreciate again your vast historical knowledge, here in the States we cannot get many books on Portugurse history so we are at a disadvantage. The info you provide indicates that the fellow at the I.D.E.S. who told me about the non-killing of bulls in Portugal may have had some dates and facts wrong. outra vez, obrigado! I don't want to discuss the tourada/corrida further on this thread because taurine sport is off topic in this context, but if you have pics of the old Portuguese bullfighting sword, could you START A NEW THREAD to share this little-known info with us all? Maybe you can post a pic of your Spanish style "estoc" side by side for comparison purposes.

25th December 2006, 11:43 AM	#5
Joe Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 48	Depiction of an execution about to be performed, using a horizontal cut? Attached Images

26th December 2006, 11:43 AM	#7
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	Joe Joe do you know aything more about the picture you posted. Where is it from i.e. which country ? Who are they etc ?

25th December 2006, 10:51 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Philip, I do not have that much historical knowledge ... only a couple days browsing the Net, looking for some Portuguese material, besides a couple books and a couple notions. I too don't want to feed any discussion in bullfighting as a topic ... this was all about swords and swording. I once posted my Spanish estoque in this Forum, but the discussion diverted from the virtual idea. If you wish, i can e-mail pictures to you, with some supporting info. Kind regards fernando

26th December 2006, 08:30 PM	#8
Joe Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 48	Sorry Fenlander, I don't know anything about the picture that can't be inferred from looking at it.