Dayak parang ilang Handle

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by VVV

Hi Ben,

I don't see a face on all the hilts in Tromp?
And not on the example I have enclosed.
But I don't think they have the Tumpal motif either.
So it was just an idea on a slight resemblance and a possible connection?

Michael

Hi Michael,
Some of Tromp's handles surely has faces but indeed not on all
I have seen them in Leiden and some of them are in the typical Koetei style with face.I have the idea that the face on the grip fade away after 1900 when headhunting was'nt practised as often as before the great peacemaking.

arjan.

[VVV]

Hi Arjan,

Interesting idea about the faces fading away later.
Is it just an unconfirmed idea or do you have any indications of why that could be the case?
I had the idea that it was the other way around based on how rare the old non-face hilts, those combined with high class blades, are?
Why do you think Tromp shows the non-face first and then the hilts with face?

Michael

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by VVV

Hi Arjan,

Interesting idea about the faces fading away later.
Is it just an unconfirmed idea or do you have any indications of why that could be the case?
I had the idea that it was the other way around based on how rare the old non-face hilts, those combined with high class blades, are?
Why do you think Tromp shows the non-face first and then the hilts with face?

Michael

Hi Michael,

its not just an idea,during my vistit in leiden I saw many "faced" mandaugrips in the collection who where collected before 1900.
the old one seems to have bigger noses,faces with more expression.
on the late models (around 1900) the faces are smaller and less expressive.
on later models its completely gone.
also on other models from other tribes you rarely see a face an mandauhilts after 1930.
indeed shows Tromp the non-faced mandau earlier because he also writes that the faced mandau was quite common in those days and the non faced quite rare. ( we speak about pre 1900)

Arjan.

[VVV]

Hi Arjan,

Reading your comment I realized that maybe we have the same view?
19th C and earlier the non-face hilts were quite rare to find among Koetei/Kutei mandaus, maybe an older or more exclusive version (like the Nieuwenhuis Mandau)?
In 20th C they became more popular again.
One reason could be that headhunting stopped as you suggest.
Another reason could be that Christianity entered the scene among the Dayaks and the face handles were connected to the old beliefs?

Michael

[Dajak]

Hi The headhunting didn t stop after 1900 in word war 2 japanese soldiers
did loose their heads in Borneo

Hi Arjan that was what I was thinking too about the Hilt that it was imitated
by the Iban because it has Iban influence also the blade
thanks for your search.

Also Thanks Michael for the Holstein stuff very nice did you notice that there is an good picture off an Bayu


Ben

[Battara]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi The headhunting didn t stop after 1900 in word war 2 japanese soldiers
did loose their heads in BorneoBen

Just a side note: Japanese also lost their heads among the Igorot head hunters in the Philippines in World War 2.

[Dajak]

Hi Battara the last heads the dayaks take was in the early 21 cth
from the Madurese people 1500 I heard



Ben