Ultimate swordfighting - GATKA

Yustas · 25th November 2006, 01:05 AM

FYI i speak fluently Ukrainian, Polish, Russian and English. Understand most other slavic languages ( like Belorussian, Serbian, Slovak)
I din't say a word about Arian's, jews, or gurus. I don't know what they have to do with it.
My historical reference was necessary to prove that Ukraine has great military culture and heritage. Atilla, Svyatoslav Sahaydachyi have one thing in common-they are ancestors of Ukrainian people. And I don't like people's sarcasm concerning ability of Ukrainins to develope their own martial art. I don't think we are any worse than Japanese, Chinese, Brasilians, Turkish, native Americans, or any other nation in the world.
Nice to know ,my fellow countrymen are here.

Yustas · 25th November 2006, 01:07 AM

By the way,
any information about Gatka school in Chicago?

Ian · 25th November 2006, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yustas

FYI i speak fluently Ukrainian, Polish, Russian and English. Understand most other slavic languages ( like Belorussian, Serbian, Slovak)

Yustas:

Your language skills will be most welcome here I'm sure. We often have issues of translation and I hope you will be able to help out our members in that regard.

Cheers,

Ian.

ariel · 25th November 2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yustas

FYI i speak fluently Ukrainian, Polish, Russian and English. Understand most other slavic languages ( like Belorussian, Serbian, Slovak)
I din't say a word about Arian's, jews, or gurus. I don't know what they have to do with it.
My historical reference was necessary to prove that Ukraine has great military culture and heritage. Atilla, Svyatoslav Sahaydachyi have one thing in common-they are ancestors of Ukrainian people. And I don't like people's sarcasm concerning ability of Ukrainins to develope their own martial art. I don't think we are any worse than Japanese, Chinese, Brasilians, Turkish, native Americans, or any other nation in the world.
Nice to know ,my fellow countrymen are here.

Yustas,
Nobody here tries to demean Ukrainians. The same is true about Brits, Poles, Native Americans, Jews, Khevsoors etc, etc, etc.
Again, every nation has its roster of achievements and it would be plain silly to compare the relative magnitude of each: just like arguing which paint was the most important in a large picture.
It so happened that Central Europeans never developed a distinct style of unarmed combat. True not only about Ukrainians, bur also about Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, Germans etc, etc. Hopak is only a dance; kudos to the modern Ukrainian practitioners of Tae Kwon Do ( or some other Asian system) for utilizing Hopak's rhythm and jumps to teach their students . On the other hand, Hopak was never a martial art on its own. I fully agree with you about the benefits of Ukrainian independence, and God bless you!. On the other hand, neither in the Tsarist Russia nor in the USSR was there any attempt to ban hopak or to smother any martial aspirations of the Ukrainians. The language was severely restricted, that's true, but Gogol's "Taras Bulba", the ultimate martial epic of the Ukrainian Cossacks, was a required reading in schools. There was never any attempt to hide or to ban any martial arts system of any nationality. This is the reason why I viewed the "Hopak" movie and the commentary without much enthusiasm. National pride is good and appropriate but Jingoism based on invented claims and on fanning "national superiority" usually leads to pretty bad things. It is not the matter whether Ukrainians are "worse" than Japanese or Koreans; they just developed different aspects of culture. They were great horsemen; Japanese were not. Are Japanese worse?
In short: I challenge you to find me a single manual of native Ukrainian martial arts system, preferably involving leg kicks, published before 1980. You can go back as far as you wish.
BTW: Did you see my answer to you about Ukrainian sabers? Same story.

Battara · 25th November 2006, 08:04 PM

Amazing videos. Those with double swords remind me of 2 things:

1. the part of the Mahabarata where Shiva shows up on the battlefield in a frenzy cutting through men like a food processer.

2. sinawalli in FMA using double stick/sword routines.

Sikh_soldier · 2nd December 2006, 01:11 AM

Hi all,

basically the sikh martial art revolves around fighting more than one person, (as sikhs were always outnumbered in battle)
gatka, is not considered the full martial art but part martial and part demonstration.
it will get one perfectly ready for the truely authentic art of the sikhs which is Shastar Vidya (science of weaponary)
the sikhs have a whole granth (bible/text) on warfare/strategy etc.
shastar vidya is alot more to the point (no pun intended) and unpretty, gatka is more common and commericial it is hard to find a shastar vidya practicioner.
Shastar vidya is mainly about ending a battle very quickly (not spending much time on each person) however gatka is very useful in preparation (flexibility, sword control, speed, stamina and hand eye co-ordination)

here is another more in depth video of gatka
http://gurmatstudies.com/gatkaonline...apevolume2.wmv

2nd December 2006, 01:11 AM	#6
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	Gatka Hi all, basically the sikh martial art revolves around fighting more than one person, (as sikhs were always outnumbered in battle) gatka, is not considered the full martial art but part martial and part demonstration. it will get one perfectly ready for the truely authentic art of the sikhs which is Shastar Vidya (science of weaponary) the sikhs have a whole granth (bible/text) on warfare/strategy etc. shastar vidya is alot more to the point (no pun intended) and unpretty, gatka is more common and commericial it is hard to find a shastar vidya practicioner. Shastar vidya is mainly about ending a battle very quickly (not spending much time on each person) however gatka is very useful in preparation (flexibility, sword control, speed, stamina and hand eye co-ordination) here is another more in depth video of gatka http://gurmatstudies.com/gatkaonline...apevolume2.wmv

25th November 2006, 01:05 AM	#1
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	FYI i speak fluently Ukrainian, Polish, Russian and English. Understand most other slavic languages ( like Belorussian, Serbian, Slovak) I din't say a word about Arian's, jews, or gurus. I don't know what they have to do with it. My historical reference was necessary to prove that Ukraine has great military culture and heritage. Atilla, Svyatoslav Sahaydachyi have one thing in common-they are ancestors of Ukrainian people. And I don't like people's sarcasm concerning ability of Ukrainins to develope their own martial art. I don't think we are any worse than Japanese, Chinese, Brasilians, Turkish, native Americans, or any other nation in the world. Nice to know ,my fellow countrymen are here.

25th November 2006, 01:07 AM	#2
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	By the way, any information about Gatka school in Chicago?

25th November 2006, 08:04 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Amazing videos. Those with double swords remind me of 2 things: 1. the part of the Mahabarata where Shiva shows up on the battlefield in a frenzy cutting through men like a food processer. 2. sinawalli in FMA using double stick/sword routines.