Info on new Tulwar and Indo Axe

HUSAR · 30th October 2006, 06:43 PM

The axe is also extremely interesting, and is actually not a combat weapon, but a ceremonial weapon that was interestingly often used in northern India as a standard in battle (much in the same way as the Islamic 'alem' , or huge leafed spear head was used). See "Battle Axes" (James D. Gamble, p.83) for identical example. Gamble notes that these typically were overlaid and chiseled with figures similar to those found on Indian ceremonial temple axes known as 'catri'. It seems likely that information on these might be found in data on Rajputs or Rajasthan (such as James Tod).

Thank You for information! Iwas quite sure that this is very late ceremonial type of ankus

Jim McDougall · 30th October 2006, 07:25 PM

Newbie,
Thats outstanding ! No you didnt overpay....these items are extremely collectible and not commonly found to the best of my knowledge.
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Husar,
Youre quite welcome! You were on the 'right page' with it being ceremonial, but the ankus is actually a hook type item, essentially intended for use of the mahout, or elephant driver. While ceremonial examples certainly exist, it was originally and remains in degree, a utilitarian item.

Best regards,
Jim

CollectingNewbie · 30th October 2006, 07:28 PM

Thanks for the reassurance Jim, Im absolutly positive Im going to love it, in the item description the seller had the word "goad" does this mean anything to anyone, a certain type of axe?

Jim McDougall · 30th October 2006, 08:26 PM

The term 'goad' refers to 'prompting', that is to be used as the ankus is used, to manuever or control the elephant. The term in this case was obviously misapplied by that individual, although certain associations between the two could be assumed, in the ceremonial sense that is.
Best regards,
Jim

Tim Simmons · 30th October 2006, 08:35 PM

I have read that the "ankus" goad had a large spike and hammer like construction to drive into the elephants head if it were run wild and confused among people. This would suit some politicians. Some animal goads are stuck somewhere else.

30th October 2006, 06:43 PM	#1
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	The axe is also extremely interesting, and is actually not a combat weapon, but a ceremonial weapon that was interestingly often used in northern India as a standard in battle (much in the same way as the Islamic 'alem' , or huge leafed spear head was used). See "Battle Axes" (James D. Gamble, p.83) for identical example. Gamble notes that these typically were overlaid and chiseled with figures similar to those found on Indian ceremonial temple axes known as 'catri'. It seems likely that information on these might be found in data on Rajputs or Rajasthan (such as James Tod). Thank You for information! Iwas quite sure that this is very late ceremonial type of ankus

30th October 2006, 07:25 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Newbie, Thats outstanding ! No you didnt overpay....these items are extremely collectible and not commonly found to the best of my knowledge. \ Husar, Youre quite welcome! You were on the 'right page' with it being ceremonial, but the ankus is actually a hook type item, essentially intended for use of the mahout, or elephant driver. While ceremonial examples certainly exist, it was originally and remains in degree, a utilitarian item. Best regards, Jim

30th October 2006, 07:28 PM	#3
CollectingNewbie Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Thanks for the reassurance Jim, Im absolutly positive Im going to love it, in the item description the seller had the word "goad" does this mean anything to anyone, a certain type of axe?

30th October 2006, 08:26 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	The term 'goad' refers to 'prompting', that is to be used as the ankus is used, to manuever or control the elephant. The term in this case was obviously misapplied by that individual, although certain associations between the two could be assumed, in the ceremonial sense that is. Best regards, Jim

30th October 2006, 08:35 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	I have read that the "ankus" goad had a large spike and hammer like construction to drive into the elephants head if it were run wild and confused among people. This would suit some politicians. Some animal goads are stuck somewhere else.