Could be a BREAKTROUGH book about Javanese keris in my posession

Radu Transylvanicus · 19th October 2006, 08:35 AM

Allright, WHICH ONE OF YOU HAS IT?

here is the first page, clearly marked with two dates possibly beginning and ending of creation: 1850 and 1929. Translation please.

Radu Transylvanicus · 19th October 2006, 08:43 AM

Ariel, if you insist with culinary experiences while there, here to name a few: kalong, sate jamu, frog pooridge, swallow nest soup, sate kobra, lungs jerky, ayam tongseng and of course endless fried plantan but this in another section, lets focus on this book.

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2006, 09:54 AM

Yes, I have several copies of this work.About twenty years ago I had a loan of the fullsize original to photocopy and photograph. I have a set of full size photocopies and four albums with large black and white photographs of all the drawings.

Recently Yayasan Damartaji issued a reduced size photocopy book of which I also have a copy. I think this might be available in the KIT bookshop at an utterly ridiculous price--- bear in mind we are talking very inferior quality, Indonesian, photocopies in a binding done by a photocopy shop.Still, even at the silly price it is probably a worthwhile purchase for anybody with a real interest.

Regarding the dates. It was drawn in 1920 by Bapak Sunarya, an abdi dalem of the Surakarta Kraton. I think if you check , you will find that the second date ---5 Ruwah, Jimakir, 1850---should be 1950. Ruwah is the 8th month of the Islamic calendar, Jimakir is the 8th year in a Javanese windu ( 8 year cycle). I think 5 Ruwah 1950 will be found to be 20 April 1920.

Radu Transylvanicus · 19th October 2006, 10:16 AM

Sounds like case closed...or almost

David · 19th October 2006, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

... frog pooridge... lungs jerky...

Yummy!!!

A. G. Maisey · 20th October 2006, 12:39 AM

Anybody who can survive this Javanese warung food has my complete respect. No, more :- admiration.

I`ve been going there for more than 40 years. I have had food poisoning several times, gastric upsets more times than I remember. Nearly every time I go I read of some mass case of food poisoning where people at a party , or factory workers have been poisoned by chicken soup or something; some of these people usually die. Javanese people themselves always seem to be sick with some sort of food induced illness.If not food induced, then its "masuk angin".

My wife went back on Saturday to visit our daughter and grandchildren. She will not ever leave Australia unless she has doxycycline, lomotil, and a whole range of anti-biotics.

In recent years I have refused to eat anything in Solo that has not been prepared in my own kitchen.I'm getting too old to take risks. If I got a real bad dose of food poisoning again, I`d probably go home in a plastic bag.

Rick · 20th October 2006, 12:55 AM

The origin of Jawa Demam explained at last !

Naga Sasra · 20th October 2006, 01:37 AM

Very nicely put Rick

Radu Transylvanicus, welcome back we look forward to see what you brought back home with you.

As for the breakthrough book, I am afraid quite a few of us have this booklet as well as the one from Bookstore 'De Verre Volken' that Alan mentioned.

But even though it is not a breakthrough, it is an important document and I congratulate you in being able to optain one. You mentioned its a book of dhapurs and pamors, but the one that you took a picture of the first page of is strictly on dhapurs. Did you also get a book on pamors

Again welcome back, glad you survived the cuisine there.

Marcokeris · 20th October 2006, 12:48 PM

Other books (amateur publication) that i know about with descriptions in bahasa and in old jawa language too:
"LIMA VERSI / DAPUR KERIS by Soedjarti Brototenojo
"ILMU KERIS - MENURUT SERAT CENHINI by S. Lumintu

only in bahasa:
"NAMA DHAPUR DAN IDENTIFIKASI KERIS DAN TOMBAK" by S. Lumintu

Certainly many others exsist

20th October 2006, 12:55 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	AHA ! The origin of Jawa Demam explained at last !

19th October 2006, 08:35 AM	#1
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Allright, WHICH ONE OF YOU HAS IT? here is the first page, clearly marked with two dates possibly beginning and ending of creation: 1850 and 1929. Translation please.

19th October 2006, 08:43 AM	#2
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Ariel, if you insist with culinary experiences while there, here to name a few: kalong, sate jamu, frog pooridge, swallow nest soup, sate kobra, lungs jerky, ayam tongseng and of course endless fried plantan but this in another section, lets focus on this book.

19th October 2006, 09:54 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes, I have several copies of this work.About twenty years ago I had a loan of the fullsize original to photocopy and photograph. I have a set of full size photocopies and four albums with large black and white photographs of all the drawings. Recently Yayasan Damartaji issued a reduced size photocopy book of which I also have a copy. I think this might be available in the KIT bookshop at an utterly ridiculous price--- bear in mind we are talking very inferior quality, Indonesian, photocopies in a binding done by a photocopy shop.Still, even at the silly price it is probably a worthwhile purchase for anybody with a real interest. Regarding the dates. It was drawn in 1920 by Bapak Sunarya, an abdi dalem of the Surakarta Kraton. I think if you check , you will find that the second date ---5 Ruwah, Jimakir, 1850---should be 1950. Ruwah is the 8th month of the Islamic calendar, Jimakir is the 8th year in a Javanese windu ( 8 year cycle). I think 5 Ruwah 1950 will be found to be 20 April 1920.

19th October 2006, 10:16 AM	#4
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Sounds like case closed...or almost

20th October 2006, 12:39 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Anybody who can survive this Javanese warung food has my complete respect. No, more :- admiration. I`ve been going there for more than 40 years. I have had food poisoning several times, gastric upsets more times than I remember. Nearly every time I go I read of some mass case of food poisoning where people at a party , or factory workers have been poisoned by chicken soup or something; some of these people usually die. Javanese people themselves always seem to be sick with some sort of food induced illness.If not food induced, then its "masuk angin". My wife went back on Saturday to visit our daughter and grandchildren. She will not ever leave Australia unless she has doxycycline, lomotil, and a whole range of anti-biotics. In recent years I have refused to eat anything in Solo that has not been prepared in my own kitchen.I'm getting too old to take risks. If I got a real bad dose of food poisoning again, I`d probably go home in a plastic bag.

20th October 2006, 01:37 AM	#8
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Very nicely put Rick Radu Transylvanicus, welcome back we look forward to see what you brought back home with you. As for the breakthrough book, I am afraid quite a few of us have this booklet as well as the one from Bookstore 'De Verre Volken' that Alan mentioned. But even though it is not a breakthrough, it is an important document and I congratulate you in being able to optain one. You mentioned its a book of dhapurs and pamors, but the one that you took a picture of the first page of is strictly on dhapurs. Did you also get a book on pamors Again welcome back, glad you survived the cuisine there.

20th October 2006, 12:48 PM	#9
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Other books (amateur publication) that i know about with descriptions in bahasa and in old jawa language too: "LIMA VERSI / DAPUR KERIS by Soedjarti Brototenojo "ILMU KERIS - MENURUT SERAT CENHINI by S. Lumintu only in bahasa: "NAMA DHAPUR DAN IDENTIFIKASI KERIS DAN TOMBAK" by S. Lumintu Certainly many others exsist