Arabian Sayf

The Double D · 24th September 2006, 06:52 PM

I thought discussions of value and worth were off limits on this board?

spiral · 24th September 2006, 11:54 PM

DD. The rule is...

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8. APPRAISALS

Public appraisals are not permitted on these fora. However, if you would like an appraisal of an item's value or market conditions, please request that other members contact you with that information via email or PM.
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So personaly I wouldnt have though then generalised above discusian about an interesting but vastly overpriced & unsold sword in a past auction realy counted as a request for appraisel.

Spiral

ariel · 25th September 2006, 06:16 AM

The question of a strange pommel bothered me. Then, I remembered the Law of Nature:" When in doubt, read Astvatsaturyan's book on Turkish weapons"

Here are the pics of Balkan swords; one has a pommel curiously similar to the one in question. Astvatsaturyan mentions that it was a common feature of the swords from that area: looking like Persian (90 degrees) and then going down. The Balkan attribution , by the way, would tie in the turquoise decorations as well.

The Double D · 25th September 2006, 06:29 AM

I fail to see a difference...the only purpose in discussing the fact something is over priced is to established it true price, and that to me is an appraisal.

If the appraisal rules applies to novice new guys to this board it should apply to Moderators and Administrator equally.

Ian · 25th September 2006, 08:41 AM

DD:

It's my understanding that an appraisal is a statement of the current market value of something, usually provided by an expert, mainly for the purpose of selling the item or insuring it.

We have at least a couple of attorneys on the Forum who can give a legal definition of "appraisal," but basically saying something is outrageously over priced is not an appraisal as I understand the term.

Ian.

The Double D · 25th September 2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

DD:

It's my understanding that an appraisal is a statement of the current market value of something, usually provided by an expert, mainly for the purpose of selling the item or insuring it.

Certainly not the criteria used when I and other New people to this board have asked the question what gives an item worth when we had no intention of buying, selling or insuring, only learning. The mere asking of the question has brought a heavy hand to bear.

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We have at least a couple of attorneys on the Forum who can give a legal definition of "appraisal," but basically saying something is outrageously over priced is not an appraisal as I understand the term.

Ian.

I'm sure those same Attorneys with payment of the proper retainer would also argue that a discussion of what features make an item less valuable is part of an appraisal process.

My real point is that your rule about appraisals is too vague. If you used the above paragraph and include the word buying and a sentence about when discssions of value are acceptable it would be clearer.

You might also add some history to the rule. Like why you made this rules. If If understand right there has been some legal action taken against a Forum about the issue of appraisals. Tell people and they will be more understanding.

My apologies to Ariel for hijacking your thread.

Andrew · 25th September 2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Double D

Certainly not the criteria used when I and other New people to this board have asked the question what gives an item worth when we had no intention of buying, selling or insuring, only learning. The mere asking of the question has brought a heavy hand to bear.

Would you like me to apologize again?

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I'm sure those same Attorneys with payment of the proper retainer would also argue that a discussion of what features make an item less valuable is part of an appraisal process.

My services are provided pro bono to the forum.

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My real point is that your rule about appraisals is too vague.

This may well be: we're only human.

To clarify, this thread is okay. A thread or post that asks, "What is this ______ worth?" is not.

ariel · 26th September 2006, 04:36 PM

I am bumping it up because of the extraneous points raised.
Back to the original question:
Is it Balkan?

25th September 2006, 06:16 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The question of a strange pommel bothered me. Then, I remembered the Law of Nature:" When in doubt, read Astvatsaturyan's book on Turkish weapons" Here are the pics of Balkan swords; one has a pommel curiously similar to the one in question. Astvatsaturyan mentions that it was a common feature of the swords from that area: looking like Persian (90 degrees) and then going down. The Balkan attribution , by the way, would tie in the turquoise decorations as well. Attached Images

24th September 2006, 06:52 PM	#1
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	I thought discussions of value and worth were off limits on this board?

24th September 2006, 11:54 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	DD. The rule is... .................................................. ........... 8. APPRAISALS Public appraisals are not permitted on these fora. However, if you would like an appraisal of an item's value or market conditions, please request that other members contact you with that information via email or PM. .................................................. .............. So personaly I wouldnt have though then generalised above discusian about an interesting but vastly overpriced & unsold sword in a past auction realy counted as a request for appraisel. Spiral

25th September 2006, 06:29 AM	#4
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	I fail to see a difference...the only purpose in discussing the fact something is over priced is to established it true price, and that to me is an appraisal. If the appraisal rules applies to novice new guys to this board it should apply to Moderators and Administrator equally.

25th September 2006, 08:41 AM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	DD: It's my understanding that an appraisal is a statement of the current market value of something, usually provided by an expert, mainly for the purpose of selling the item or insuring it. We have at least a couple of attorneys on the Forum who can give a legal definition of "appraisal," but basically saying something is outrageously over priced is not an appraisal as I understand the term. Ian.

26th September 2006, 04:36 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am bumping it up because of the extraneous points raised. Back to the original question: Is it Balkan?