steel and iron weaponry of the american natives.........

Andrew · 11th September 2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ausjulius

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anyone seen anything like this????????? .....

Yes. Tlingit.

If possible, check out the book I mentioned above.

ausjulius · 11th September 2006, 02:29 PM

thanks i shall.. but there isnt mant book shops around here... ill keep an eye out.....

ausjulius · 11th September 2006, 02:34 PM

yup , thats it , i recognise the knif eon the cover

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n ow makes me wounder where they got the skills to make these with such complicated blades........

tom hyle · 11th September 2006, 05:03 PM

Tlinglits were working copper on their own, as were some people around the Great Lakes area, around the Carribean, and in the Andes. I have heard that in northern N America (current USA and Canada) the mining was primarily or solely in the Great Lakes Region. Tlinglit (etc.; the technology is not unique, AFAIK, to one tribe of the region) daggers tend to be midribbed, and fairly sophisticated in their detailing and finishing, and I've certainly seen iron/steel ones, and had presumed them to be 18th/19th C. Of course, as time and research go on it grows increasingly hard to deny pre-Columbus (etc.) contacts between peoples previously considered as isolated/seperated. "Vikings" in N America are cetainly no longer considered a romantic fiction, and much earlier European incursions are probably well indicated, for instance.
The Tlinglit body armour is remarkably similar to a medieval European armour known as a coat of plates. I'm not suggesting a direct relation; Tlinglits (etc.) are quite far from Europe; near (as pointed out) to Siberia, and these are far from the only two armours to fit in this category of resemblance; form following function, perhaps. Just an interesting comparison, is all.

11th September 2006, 02:29 PM	#2
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 438	thanks i shall.. but there isnt mant book shops around here... ill keep an eye out.....

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ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 438	yup , thats it , i recognise the knif eon the cover ........ n ow makes me wounder where they got the skills to make these with such complicated blades........

11th September 2006, 05:03 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Tlinglits were working copper on their own, as were some people around the Great Lakes area, around the Carribean, and in the Andes. I have heard that in northern N America (current USA and Canada) the mining was primarily or solely in the Great Lakes Region. Tlinglit (etc.; the technology is not unique, AFAIK, to one tribe of the region) daggers tend to be midribbed, and fairly sophisticated in their detailing and finishing, and I've certainly seen iron/steel ones, and had presumed them to be 18th/19th C. Of course, as time and research go on it grows increasingly hard to deny pre-Columbus (etc.) contacts between peoples previously considered as isolated/seperated. "Vikings" in N America are cetainly no longer considered a romantic fiction, and much earlier European incursions are probably well indicated, for instance. The Tlinglit body armour is remarkably similar to a medieval European armour known as a coat of plates. I'm not suggesting a direct relation; Tlinglits (etc.) are quite far from Europe; near (as pointed out) to Siberia, and these are far from the only two armours to fit in this category of resemblance; form following function, perhaps. Just an interesting comparison, is all.