Brass hilted kris for comment

nechesh · 5th February 2005, 06:32 PM

As everyone has commented, it is a shame about the hilt. I know this form as Garantiman, but i believe Frey has used the word Grantim as Henk has stated. The snake-like piece you describe i believe is supposed to represent a lotus sprout. Though only made of brass, i would still say this was a nice example as it is actually woven material, not just a cast piece of metal as some of the later examples of this form were.
The mendak does look more like an adaptation than an authentic piece, made to fit better with the bone underneath.
The blade is not unattractive, and in response to Jose's comment, if it was offered to me for sale it would all depend on just how much it was offered for.

wolviex · 5th February 2005, 07:39 PM

Yes, I truly understand your dissapointment about the damage of the hilt, but now in museum, far away from the place of birth, it has only a historical and curiosity value. But my question is, how about brass hilts in general, is it really (as Stone has ascribed, if I do remember well) rather rare form of hilt. Most of you krises presented seems to be wooden hilted anyway.
And other one: any suggestions about age of this piece. I know it's the hardest thing to define, but do you think it's 20th or could be 2nd half of 19th century, for example ? Stupid question anyway, I know, but being completly green, I'm going to ask more of them

nechesh · 5th February 2005, 08:37 PM

I think that hilts made of metal are far more common from Bali then elsewhere in the area. It is not unusual, but other materials are still more common to find. Wood would still be the most common material. My guess would be that your example is late 19th - early 20th Century.

Sang Keris · 6th February 2005, 12:53 AM

i think it's not balinesse keris , but from Lombok.

nechesh · 6th February 2005, 05:11 AM

Weta, as far as i know this style of hilt can be found on both Bali and Lombok keris. There is very little if any difference between them as Lombok was a colony of Bali for many years and under it's influence.

Alam Shah · 6th February 2005, 08:02 AM

Balinese influenced kerises includes those from Lombok, Sumbawa and other parts of East Nusa Tenggara. But keris from Lombok and Sumbawa are generally thinner and slightly shorter than kerises from Bali.

Therefore, in my opinion, looking at the blade and danganan, this is a Balinese keris.

wolviex · 7th February 2005, 08:34 PM

Here is a discussion at old forum where you can find (go below the site) a kris hilted very similiar as mine, but with the silver wire and silver plate, not brass. The form of the hilt is almost identical. There you can also an information from BluErf "there were gold examples, but very rarely seen". Unfortunately kris from my museum isn't gold, it isn't even gilt, I think it's just a pure brass

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002478.html

Regards

6th February 2005, 08:02 AM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Balinese influenced kerises includes those from Lombok, Sumbawa and other parts of East Nusa Tenggara. But keris from Lombok and Sumbawa are generally thinner and slightly shorter than kerises from Bali. Therefore, in my opinion, looking at the blade and danganan, this is a Balinese keris. Last edited by Alam Shah; 6th February 2005 at 08:15 AM.

7th February 2005, 08:34 PM	#7
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Link Here is a discussion at old forum where you can find (go below the site) a kris hilted very similiar as mine, but with the silver wire and silver plate, not brass. The form of the hilt is almost identical. There you can also an information from BluErf "there were gold examples, but very rarely seen". Unfortunately kris from my museum isn't gold, it isn't even gilt, I think it's just a pure brass http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002478.html Regards

5th February 2005, 06:32 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	As everyone has commented, it is a shame about the hilt. I know this form as Garantiman, but i believe Frey has used the word Grantim as Henk has stated. The snake-like piece you describe i believe is supposed to represent a lotus sprout. Though only made of brass, i would still say this was a nice example as it is actually woven material, not just a cast piece of metal as some of the later examples of this form were. The mendak does look more like an adaptation than an authentic piece, made to fit better with the bone underneath. The blade is not unattractive, and in response to Jose's comment, if it was offered to me for sale it would all depend on just how much it was offered for.

5th February 2005, 07:39 PM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Yes, I truly understand your dissapointment about the damage of the hilt, but now in museum, far away from the place of birth, it has only a historical and curiosity value. But my question is, how about brass hilts in general, is it really (as Stone has ascribed, if I do remember well) rather rare form of hilt. Most of you krises presented seems to be wooden hilted anyway. And other one: any suggestions about age of this piece. I know it's the hardest thing to define, but do you think it's 20th or could be 2nd half of 19th century, for example ? Stupid question anyway, I know, but being completly green, I'm going to ask more of them

5th February 2005, 08:37 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I think that hilts made of metal are far more common from Bali then elsewhere in the area. It is not unusual, but other materials are still more common to find. Wood would still be the most common material. My guess would be that your example is late 19th - early 20th Century.

6th February 2005, 12:53 AM	#4
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	i think it's not balinesse keris , but from Lombok.

6th February 2005, 05:11 AM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Weta, as far as i know this style of hilt can be found on both Bali and Lombok keris. There is very little if any difference between them as Lombok was a colony of Bali for many years and under it's influence.