Definitive Warfare

nechesh · 7th August 2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie W.

So going back to your questions, Rick; are you assuming that I'm wisecracking ? Well, let me ask you this; is that how you percieve it? IMHO, I'm not. Am I annoyed with the collecting community? No, but I am tired of seeing the prices of these swords go up and everyone here act like it's OK. I know it's inivitable (sp), but a message to the price drivers, please don't pay that much for something you don't know squat, or just because it looks "pretty" to you. There are actually some people who collect it because it means more than an art object, that these artifacts are the bridges to someone's heritage, and with the prices going up at this rate, the future generation would never know.

Hey Willie, where on earth did you get the idea that "everyone here" is acting like these escalating prices are OK. Re-read the thread you linked and then re-read this one. Are the majority of responses really in favor of this super high prices?
I don't think Rick or anybody else is looking to shut out your words with the ignore feature (at least not yet

. Nobody is demanding that you need a reason to be here either. But you have made a number of allusions to knowledge that you have failed to follow through on. This forum is a place to share such knowledge. If you don't care to share that's OK too, but acting like you know something more and not backing it up doesn't hold much water on internet forums IMO.
You also make a rather broad assumption as to why various collectors collect these objects. I wouldn't begin to guess at why these folks Dave and Lorna collect Moro weapons. Likewise you haven't a clue as to my motivation to collect Indonesian keris. Why you collect is, of course, your business.
I truly believe that when Rick encourages you to "be candid" he means just that. But try actually saying something worthwhile and constructive with it. That's the trick.

Rick · 7th August 2006, 03:45 AM

Hi Willie ,
Thanks for spelling it out for me .
I take no offense at what you have said; I have no reason to .
As a matter of fact I agree with you on many points that you have made .
I just feel better if we speak plainly here; I'm not much of one to pick up on subtle innuendos; call me dense if you will but I prefer it when people speak plainly and openly.

Personally speaking I have all the Moro pieces I will ever collect; two budiak two kampilan, two barung and 5 krisses . I would love to see these pieces go back to the Bangsamoro after I pass ; I would really appreciate it if they went to further the study of the history of the Moro peoples; but how to effectively achieve that is my question.
Perhaps you can offer an answer.

My family is tied to Moro history; my last name is Bates .

Rick

nechesh · 7th August 2006, 04:09 AM

That's interesting Rick. Are you saying that you are related to Brig. General John C. Bates of the Bates Treaty?

Rick · 7th August 2006, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

That's interesting Rick. Are you saying that you are related to Brig. General John C. Bates of the Bates Treaty?

Yes , and Kenneth French Anderson who was a missionary on Mindanao during that time (he died there) . We may be Yankees but we do have relatives in the South .

Then there was Harrison Smith who did a fair amount of exploring in Borneo .

Flavio · 7th August 2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Yes , and Kenneth French Anderson who was a missionary on Mindanao during that time (he died there) . We may be Yankees but we do have relatives in the South .

Then there was Harrison Smith who did a fair amount of exploring in Borneo .

COOL!!!!!

Willie W. · 7th August 2006, 09:48 AM

Ian and Rick,

thank you for responding in such a mature fashion. Now I see where you two are coming from. Your respect towards your collection transcends what some, if not most, would refer to as an eye candy. I really hope that there are more collectors like you two who really respect these venerated objects.

As for your suggestion, Ian; it sure is a pity. I just hope that, if anything, the future generation will have access to what was once the pride and life of their ancestors.

And Rick, I've known for awhile your ties to my people

, and with that I respect you more that you'll ever know.

respectfully yours,

Willie

Willie W. · 8th August 2006, 07:36 PM

Nechesh,

You must be the local internet warrior, lol. It seems like whenever a new guy pops up, you start showing your internet muscle. Relax, since none of my posts were directed towards you. Actually, I don't really care if you collect bottlecaps or what not.

7th August 2006, 03:45 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Hi Willie , Thanks for spelling it out for me . I take no offense at what you have said; I have no reason to . As a matter of fact I agree with you on many points that you have made . I just feel better if we speak plainly here; I'm not much of one to pick up on subtle innuendos; call me dense if you will but I prefer it when people speak plainly and openly. Personally speaking I have all the Moro pieces I will ever collect; two budiak two kampilan, two barung and 5 krisses . I would love to see these pieces go back to the Bangsamoro after I pass ; I would really appreciate it if they went to further the study of the history of the Moro peoples; but how to effectively achieve that is my question. Perhaps you can offer an answer. My family is tied to Moro history; my last name is Bates . Rick

7th August 2006, 04:09 AM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	That's interesting Rick. Are you saying that you are related to Brig. General John C. Bates of the Bates Treaty?

7th August 2006, 09:48 AM	#6
Willie W. Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8	Ian and Rick, thank you for responding in such a mature fashion. Now I see where you two are coming from. Your respect towards your collection transcends what some, if not most, would refer to as an eye candy. I really hope that there are more collectors like you two who really respect these venerated objects. As for your suggestion, Ian; it sure is a pity. I just hope that, if anything, the future generation will have access to what was once the pride and life of their ancestors. And Rick, I've known for awhile your ties to my people , and with that I respect you more that you'll ever know. respectfully yours, Willie

8th August 2006, 07:36 PM	#7
Willie W. Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8	Nechesh, You must be the local internet warrior, lol. It seems like whenever a new guy pops up, you start showing your internet muscle. Relax, since none of my posts were directed towards you. Actually, I don't really care if you collect bottlecaps or what not.