Polish saber a gem or im robed

serdar · 7th April 2025, 10:01 PM

It is sharpened only on first third of the blade, very sharp, and gradualy thickens.
It was carryed there is worn metal on rign holders, (i dont know how good it will be posible to see from photos.

serdar · 8th April 2025, 05:30 PM

Thank you but i determined i was deceived and robed, it is fake, sold by german antique weapons dealer active online, on facebook and in store who boost him self with 100 year experience, i wont name names, but it is a fraud and crime.

It was sold to me as original polish saber for great sum of money, without any mentioning of a year, or kostume saber, which he mentioned when i colided him with evidence of forgery.

So be careful when you buy expensive rare swords in great condition from established antique dealers, germany or where ever.

Lee · 8th April 2025, 10:09 PM

I suspect, from the lack of member responses, that your fears may be correct. I am not experienced at all with swords from this region, so consider my comments with great caution. The steel blade proper does appear to have some age, but the applied decorations on the blade and mounts may, indeed, be 'too good to be true' and more recent. Though of a different style and time, I am reminded of the 'enhancement' sometimes seen in forgeries of Viking Age swords that originate in eastern Europe.

Dealers do sometimes make mistakes without fraudulent intent, so the true test is whether a dealer values his reputation over the profits from a sale and offers a refund. If it is any consolation, I suspect any of us here who have amassed a collection of any significant size will have made mistakes along the way - I certainly have!

Jim McDougall · 8th April 2025, 10:17 PM

In total accord with what Lee says, Ive sure made my share of misTEAKES !!

As you said earlier Serdar, it is in essence TUITION.

It seems that the practice of 'enhancing' old blades is one of the most common ploys used by charlatans that have long been around. The 'industry' of these kinds of fakes has been extant in Poland and some of these East European countries for decades. These swords are quite rare so it is understandable that copies made would be lucrative.

The inscriptions and inlay work can be seen in many of the esoteric books on these swords, but the application seems far too heavily added.

serdar · 9th April 2025, 09:54 AM

I examined it under magnifier, it seems bordure on throath of scabbard is constructed using tiny pins thru holes made in metal strips, who ever made it it realy had a lot of work to do it,
It is imposible to see with naked eye.

serdar · 9th April 2025, 05:42 PM

Cap is glued with epoxy, new wood, ray skin burned to imitate age, and so on.
German reputable antique arms dealer/scamer and fraud dealer.

If someone wants to know his name, name of shop i bought from i can write it here or in pm.
( just to know what to avoid)

awdaniec666 · 9th April 2025, 08:14 PM

I think the lesson for beginners here is that even with a lot of money and confidence, you can't replace knowledge. If this is combined with arrogance and a demanding demeanour, you might as well put your money into American shares.

9th April 2025, 09:54 AM	#5
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 130	I examined it under magnifier, it seems bordure on throath of scabbard is constructed using tiny pins thru holes made in metal strips, who ever made it it realy had a lot of work to do it, It is imposible to see with naked eye. Attached Images

9th April 2025, 05:42 PM	#6
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 130	Cap is glued with epoxy, new wood, ray skin burned to imitate age, and so on. German reputable antique arms dealer/scamer and fraud dealer. If someone wants to know his name, name of shop i bought from i can write it here or in pm. ( just to know what to avoid) Attached Images

7th April 2025, 10:01 PM	#1
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 130	It is sharpened only on first third of the blade, very sharp, and gradualy thickens. It was carryed there is worn metal on rign holders, (i dont know how good it will be posible to see from photos.

8th April 2025, 05:30 PM	#2
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 130	Thank you but i determined i was deceived and robed, it is fake, sold by german antique weapons dealer active online, on facebook and in store who boost him self with 100 year experience, i wont name names, but it is a fraud and crime. It was sold to me as original polish saber for great sum of money, without any mentioning of a year, or kostume saber, which he mentioned when i colided him with evidence of forgery. So be careful when you buy expensive rare swords in great condition from established antique dealers, germany or where ever.

8th April 2025, 10:09 PM	#3
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 937	I suspect, from the lack of member responses, that your fears may be correct. I am not experienced at all with swords from this region, so consider my comments with great caution. The steel blade proper does appear to have some age, but the applied decorations on the blade and mounts may, indeed, be 'too good to be true' and more recent. Though of a different style and time, I am reminded of the 'enhancement' sometimes seen in forgeries of Viking Age swords that originate in eastern Europe. Dealers do sometimes make mistakes without fraudulent intent, so the true test is whether a dealer values his reputation over the profits from a sale and offers a refund. If it is any consolation, I suspect any of us here who have amassed a collection of any significant size will have made mistakes along the way - I certainly have!

8th April 2025, 10:17 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,276	In total accord with what Lee says, Ive sure made my share of misTEAKES !! As you said earlier Serdar, it is in essence TUITION. It seems that the practice of 'enhancing' old blades is one of the most common ploys used by charlatans that have long been around. The 'industry' of these kinds of fakes has been extant in Poland and some of these East European countries for decades. These swords are quite rare so it is understandable that copies made would be lucrative. The inscriptions and inlay work can be seen in many of the esoteric books on these swords, but the application seems far too heavily added.

9th April 2025, 08:14 PM	#7
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 174	I think the lesson for beginners here is that even with a lot of money and confidence, you can't replace knowledge. If this is combined with arrogance and a demanding demeanour, you might as well put your money into American shares.