New addition #2 Panjang or maybe not

[milandro]

I am resurrecting this thread because is the only one which talks of something of my interest.

I don't have pictures yet of the kris.

Are there crossbreed examples of Panjangs with a Pattani or Coteng( Kingfisher) known to the community?

I have seen just a couple looking around internet but you never know if they have been assembled in this way . It would certainly make a nice hilt to hold on to while walking with such a weapon, but is it kosher?

[milandro]

I found another Panjang on line with a Patani Coating Hilt


these are pics from a auction concluded two years ago (so allowable here right?)

How usual or unusual is this combination?

[David]

I have seen Tajong hilts on panjang blades before, but as far as i know this is not a traditionally acceptable combination. The keris panjang you show here is a rather recent blade i think.

[milandro]

yes, there seem to be quite a few recent blades with pamor while the older examples are pamorless.

The one I bought doesn't appear to have any pamor

[kai]

Dear all,

Most examples on the market these days are results of cultural appropriation for mere business reasons - if not outright fakes (in case claimed being genuine northern Melayu pieces/antiques), they tend to be poor copies exhibiting poor flow of lines, non-Malay motifs, etc.

The example discussed in post #9 seems to has a blade straight out of Madura, made yesterday when acquired and placed onto auction soon enough. Not sure where these hilt reproductions are carved in Indonesia, but they have been getting better and better in recent years. Many are still easy give-aways like this one though.

I can't remember seeing any old ensembles combining a genuine tajong hilt with any Bangkinang blade - I guess many local Singgora/Pattani/Kelantan blades are close enough (long/slender) to not bother bringing in Bangkinang blades in olden times for regular usage.

Aside from possibly older (vintage?) Sumatran copies of coteng/tajong hilts, there apparently are related genuine hilt styles from Sunda and Sumatra, some of the latter might have been combined with keris panjang blades.

Regards,
Kai