Sword canes

fernando · 19th February 2024, 10:53 AM

Jim, providing i understand the meaning of your query, starting from the forum 'search' button to 'searching' out there, the sword canes (or sticks) subject opens are a wide range of data; from toothpick styles to lethal examples, from various Countries ... to even more than one Continent.
Since a long while back i have owned a few of these, covering various purposes, some close to fakes to others of official use. Eventually those with authentic early sword blades

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Jim McDougall · 19th February 2024, 07:13 PM

Thank you Fernando! These are as I would expect with you, superb examples and exactly what I was looking for. I am much chagrined for not going to the search here, which I invariably use, but I suppose wasnt sure what category these would fall into. Thinking they might not be considered 'real' weapons, but perhaps a novelty in the 'weapons curiosa' genre, I didnt think of the search.

While I am hoping of course to find an authentic 19th century example, with of course a rapier blade (as yours have !) I have little confidence in most of the popular sources. Also, as these are concealed weapons, the regulatory madness has encroached on the owning of these in some areas.

Also I was hoping to find a good reference that might discuss these in depth, as my references seem to have a great void in study of these. There is some detail online, but very old school, I was hoping to find a hard copy of something.

drac2k · 19th February 2024, 09:47 PM

In Japan, these canes were called Shikomi-Zue and they gained in popularity after the Hatorei Edict in 1870 forbidding farmers and merchants from owning swords and the Haito Edict in 1876 also made it unlawful for Samurai to wear swords.

Jim McDougall · 20th February 2024, 09:35 PM

Thanks Drac, I would never have thought of the sword cane etc. in Japan, but after westernization and the end of the Samurai (at least as officially recognized) it seems understandable this concealed form of sword would prevail.

drac2k · 21st February 2024, 12:16 AM

Thank you for bringing the subject up.

Pertinax · 29th February 2024, 12:23 PM

Presumably Germany early 20th century

Sajen · 29th February 2024, 11:30 PM

This one I've found in my saved pictures!

19th February 2024, 10:53 AM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Jim, providing i understand the meaning of your query, starting from the forum 'search' button to 'searching' out there, the sword canes (or sticks) subject opens are a wide range of data; from toothpick styles to lethal examples, from various Countries ... to even more than one Continent. Since a long while back i have owned a few of these, covering various purposes, some close to fakes to others of official use. Eventually those with authentic early sword blades - Attached Images

19th February 2024, 09:47 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	In Japan, these canes were called Shikomi-Zue and they gained in popularity after the Hatorei Edict in 1870 forbidding farmers and merchants from owning swords and the Haito Edict in 1876 also made it unlawful for Samurai to wear swords. Attached Images

29th February 2024, 12:23 PM	#6
Pertinax Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Location: City by the Black Sea Posts: 219	Presumably Germany early 20th century Attached Images

29th February 2024, 11:30 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	This one I've found in my saved pictures! Attached Images

19th February 2024, 07:13 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,189	Thank you Fernando! These are as I would expect with you, superb examples and exactly what I was looking for. I am much chagrined for not going to the search here, which I invariably use, but I suppose wasnt sure what category these would fall into. Thinking they might not be considered 'real' weapons, but perhaps a novelty in the 'weapons curiosa' genre, I didnt think of the search. While I am hoping of course to find an authentic 19th century example, with of course a rapier blade (as yours have !) I have little confidence in most of the popular sources. Also, as these are concealed weapons, the regulatory madness has encroached on the owning of these in some areas. Also I was hoping to find a good reference that might discuss these in depth, as my references seem to have a great void in study of these. There is some detail online, but very old school, I was hoping to find a hard copy of something.

20th February 2024, 09:35 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,189	Thanks Drac, I would never have thought of the sword cane etc. in Japan, but after westernization and the end of the Samurai (at least as officially recognized) it seems understandable this concealed form of sword would prevail.

21st February 2024, 12:16 AM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thank you for bringing the subject up.