A result of ivory regulations ???

[gp]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Just don't be silly they are now worthless . Move them amongst yourselves where you can. Unless you are a vandal and must sell out of the circle. For what little is left. Sad but that is the case shut.

No need to be a defeatist as said it is complete legal to still have these kind of transactions.
Althoug some countries ( mostly in the anglosaxon world like to good ol' U S of A and Inglan) it is not easy ...
Even, sadly some overeager public servants do overreact, you do not take that for granted and still can import it.

If a police officer tells you to jump, you don't reply with "how high? " or do you....

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by gp

No need to be a defeatist as said it is complete legal to still have these kind of transactions.
Althoug some countries ( mostly in the anglosaxon world like to good ol' U S of A and Inglan) it is not easy ...
Even, sadly some overeager public servants do overreact, you do not take that for granted and still can import it.

If a police officer tells you to jump, you don't reply with "how high? " or do you....

Indeed they do reach beyond their scope at times.

I recently went through a seizure because of an overreacting overzealous official who had no concept of the laws they operate under nor any idea of customs exemptions for said items.

Still, there are even hoops to jump through when they get it wrong too. I may not have to ask how high, but I still need to jump.
I'm just grateful it's not my first rodeo and can bring to their attention the error of their ways... still, 4-5 weeks extra delay on already slow mail is hard to digest... meanwhile, illicit items enter borders every day while these distractions happen.

They just do their job, and all these discussions and comments by members ARE scanned and linked by AI, hence my previous comments that Ian seemed to disagree with, such discussions and notions like move them amongst yourselves are just painting targets on your backs, and are a disservice to the community

My best advise, seek proper approvals in writing where weapons and materials are concerned, and know the jurisdictions you operate in and through, both at a federal and state level. It alleviates a lot of issues and heart ache, and preserves the material culture, NOT see it destroyed through improper action.

So much can still be achieved through the right channels.

[Rick]

In Massachusetts it is legal to sell scrimshawed whales teeth. The caveat is that you are not supposed to send them anywhere out of our state. Eldred's auction house here sells a lot of whale teeth in some of their auctions.
After purchase what you do with them is your business I guess at least inside the US.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Rick

In Massachusetts it is legal to sell scrimshawed whales teeth. The caveat is that you are not supposed to send them anywhere out of our state. Eldred's auction house here sells a lot of whale teeth in some of their auctions.
After purchase what you do with them is your business I guess at least inside the US.

I'd be crossing your Ts and dotting your Is Rick.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/natio...-species-parts

[Rick]

Most of the teeth are antique from the age of sail Gavin. I don't attend those auctions, the stuff is for the well-heeled to bid on. Massachusetts is the California of the east coast so the teeth I'm sure are vetted as to their age to comply with CITES regulations.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Rick

the teeth I'm sure are vetted as to their age to comply with CITES regulations.[/url]

One may assume so. Not a single CITES reference within the catalogue and careful wording in the T&Cs to absolve themselves from any risk or exposure.

[David]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

I'd be crossing your Ts and dotting your Is Rick.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/natio...-species-parts

I would add that i believe the link you have provided seems focussed on "unaltered pieces of a marine mammal". A scrimshaw tooth would no doubt fall under a different set of regulations.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by David

I would add that i believe the link you have provided seems focussed on "unaltered pieces of a marine mammal". A scrimshaw tooth would no doubt fall under a different set of regulations.

Just because one gets a tooth,scratches it's surface and rubs some soot in to the incisions, it does not then circumvent these policies.

There are other determining requirements to be met. It is governed by several other factors within these and other documents.

It is the source material that is governed, the onus lies with you to prove what is required.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Just because one gets a tooth,scratches it's surface and rubs some soot in to the incisions, it does not then circumvent these policies.

There are other determining requirements to be met. It is governed by several other factors within these and other documents.

It is the source material that is governed, the onus lies with you to prove what is required.

How does one prove to the authorities that the teeth shown in the auction catalogue that I posted a link to are actually antique pre-ban teeth Gavin?
Eldred's auction seems to have found a way to do this.

As I said Massachusetts is the California of the East Coast and I'm sure some of these articles don't have a hard and fast provenance.
This is a well-known auction house worldwide; I can't imagine that in my state a place such as Eldred's could get away with fakery.
There must be some way to prove the antiquity of whales' teeth. I have seen antique teeth done by contemporary artists for auction there.

I'd shrug but the emoji is verboten.