Period Photos of People with Ethnographic Arms

Sajen · 29th December 2023, 01:58 PM

This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors!

gp · 30th December 2023, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors!

talking Dayaks...

gp · 30th December 2023, 07:27 PM

and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

gp · 30th December 2023, 08:13 PM

3 pics by Dr. Henricus Marinus Neeb taken in Atjeh in the 19th century

gp · 30th December 2023, 09:20 PM

and now some gents with moustaches from the Balkans ( Bulgar, Albanian, Greek, Macedonian, Montenegrin, Serb, Hercegowenian and Bosnian) not to mess with,
but as friends the best company you can wish for and...
having a drink some homemade stuff
( speaking from a drink experience with all the mentioned nationalities, except one )
☺☺☺

gp · 30th December 2023, 09:38 PM

the last few...

the last gent's dress looks close to the uniform & sword to the one from The Spekulatius Cookie Hussar

Sajen · 31st December 2023, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gp

and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

This picture shows an Alfur from the Wemale tribes of Ceram. Rare type of sword he holds.

Sajen · 31st December 2023, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gp

and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

This man doesn't look from Halmahera to my eyes, the shield is from Sulawesi and also the clothes looks to be from Sulawesi.
It seems that also old sources could be wrong.

Sajen · 31st December 2023, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gp

and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

Yes, that's typical Halmahera, salawaku and pade, also the dress is correct!

Sajen · 31st December 2023, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gp

and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

Moro people from Southern Philippines.

cyten · 2nd January 2024, 11:01 AM

Maharaja Ranjor Singh of Ajaigarh

gp · 12th January 2024, 06:30 PM

just got some Illustrated News papers from Germany, Austria and England between 1860 and 1900/1910

A nice one from Afghanistan

Changdao · 13th January 2024, 03:04 PM

Yi people in Yunnan or Sichuan with their laquered leather armour and leather shields.

In addition, a Korean painting representing Sichuanese Ming dynasty troops under Liu Ting during the Imjin War (1592-1598). Some of the troopers are wearing armours identical to the Yi ones.

Bob A · 30th March 2024, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors!

The sword shouldered by the central figure appears to be of particularly rare form of belato, associated with Nias island.

Sajen · 30th March 2024, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob A

The sword shouldered by the central figure appears to be of particularly rare form of belato, associated with Nias island.

Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand.

Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick · 31st March 2024, 01:10 AM

The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed.

Sajen · 31st March 2024, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed.

I don't know what happened, I just copied the picture, sorry!

Ah, now I understand, it was the link provided by Bob.

gp · 31st March 2024, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand.

Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

FYI: I got this picture from an old Dutch book about the Dutch Indies on the Alifuru in the Moluccan islands...

so I think our friend Detlev might be correct, as the literature of those days might contain some errors but nevertheless it concerned the Dutch colonial region .

Some more pics on the Mena Muria'warriors from the Moluccans .
The last pic are Honitetu-Alifuru dancing the tjakalele Piru, Ceram 1912

Bob A · 1st April 2024, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand.

Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you; I had noted the handle, but was overexcited by the blade shape.
You're of course correct about the accoutrements.

I should shave with Occam's razor.

29th December 2023, 01:58 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors! Attached Images

30th December 2023, 07:27 PM	#3
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 823	and whilst we are in the neighborhood... an Algur from the Moluccans 2 pics taken in Halmaheira a well to do gent from Java a couple from Atjeh / Aceh some pencak lads not to mess with and some Molucccans source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL Attached Images Last edited by gp; 30th December 2023 at 08:15 PM.

30th December 2023, 08:13 PM	#4
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 823	3 pics by Dr. Henricus Marinus Neeb taken in Atjeh in the 19th century Attached Images

30th December 2023, 09:20 PM	#5
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 823	and now some gents with moustaches from the Balkans ( Bulgar, Albanian, Greek, Macedonian, Montenegrin, Serb, Hercegowenian and Bosnian) not to mess with, but as friends the best company you can wish for and... having a drink some homemade stuff ( speaking from a drink experience with all the mentioned nationalities, except one ) ☺☺☺ Attached Images Last edited by gp; 30th December 2023 at 10:03 PM.

30th December 2023, 09:38 PM	#6
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 823	the last few... the last gent's dress looks close to the uniform & sword to the one from The Spekulatius Cookie Hussar Attached Images

2nd January 2024, 11:01 AM	#11
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 94	Maharaja Ranjor Singh of Ajaigarh Attached Images

12th January 2024, 06:30 PM	#12
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 823	just got some Illustrated News papers from Germany, Austria and England between 1860 and 1900/1910 A nice one from Afghanistan Attached Images

13th January 2024, 03:04 PM	#13
Changdao Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Spain Posts: 40	Yi people in Yunnan or Sichuan with their laquered leather armour and leather shields. In addition, a Korean painting representing Sichuanese Ming dynasty troops under Liu Ting during the Imjin War (1592-1598). Some of the troopers are wearing armours identical to the Yi ones. Attached Images

31st March 2024, 01:10 AM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed.