Ivory or bone???? pesh kabz chura / choora daggers

Rick · 30th November 2023, 06:28 AM

Do you have doubts about any of them?

The upper two have nice wootz blades, and I'd like very much to see the bottom one's blade in a close up to check out the pattern.

The only material that I find puzzling are the scales on the bottom one, but I'll guess bone for that one.

phil.reid · 30th November 2023, 01:26 PM

No ,pretty sure 2 are Ivory but friend has his doubts as Ivory not as "clean" as his Ghana's Ivory pieces. I was thinking this one could be walrus as sure I've seen old walrus tusk this colouring and graining.
Blades has a wide water pattern and I've yet to clean this piece but think its just faux staining of the metal

phil.reid · 30th November 2023, 01:28 PM

Actually looking at photos blown up their is wootz pattern under the "watering' staining on blade

Turkoman.khan · 30th November 2023, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phil.reid

No ,pretty sure 2 are Ivory but friend has his doubts as Ivory not as "clean" as his Ghana's Ivory pieces. I was thinking this one could be walrus as sure I've seen old walrus tusk this colouring and graining.
Blades has a wide water pattern and I've yet to clean this piece but think its just faux staining of the metal

Please take a photo from the end part of the handle

phil.reid · 1st December 2023, 02:29 AM

Ah , so bone?

Sajen · 1st December 2023, 06:00 AM

Yes, bone! The porouness is the giveaway.

Regards,
Detlef

Turkoman.khan · 1st December 2023, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by phil.reid

Ah , so bone?

Bone

David · 1st December 2023, 07:35 PM

Yep, that last one is clearly bone. The shot of the end of the handle nails it for sure as you can see the porous structure of the center of the bone.
I would say the other two are ivory though.

phil.reid · 2nd December 2023, 12:30 AM

Ah what a goose am I! Gazing intently at the grain and form of the sides and didn't even twig to look at ends!!!

30th November 2023, 01:26 PM	#2
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 61	No ,pretty sure 2 are Ivory but friend has his doubts as Ivory not as "clean" as his Ghana's Ivory pieces. I was thinking this one could be walrus as sure I've seen old walrus tusk this colouring and graining. Blades has a wide water pattern and I've yet to clean this piece but think its just faux staining of the metal Attached Images

1st December 2023, 02:29 AM	#5
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 61	Ah , so bone? Attached Images

30th November 2023, 06:28 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Do you have doubts about any of them? The upper two have nice wootz blades, and I'd like very much to see the bottom one's blade in a close up to check out the pattern. The only material that I find puzzling are the scales on the bottom one, but I'll guess bone for that one.

30th November 2023, 01:28 PM	#3
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 61	Actually looking at photos blown up their is wootz pattern under the "watering' staining on blade

1st December 2023, 06:00 AM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	Yes, bone! The porouness is the giveaway. Regards, Detlef

1st December 2023, 07:35 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Yep, that last one is clearly bone. The shot of the end of the handle nails it for sure as you can see the porous structure of the center of the bone. I would say the other two are ivory though.

2nd December 2023, 12:30 AM	#9
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 61	Ah what a goose am I! Gazing intently at the grain and form of the sides and didn't even twig to look at ends!!!