Identification Assistance Requested - New Collector

Jean · 29th November 2023, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Alan,
This is my opinion only but this carving does not look like a standard singa for the following reasons:
. Head: fangs, bulging eyes, ears, hair
. Wings
. Sitting position, no penis, unclear tail, animal under its front legs.
I don't remember to have ever seen such a carved animal on a balinese blade but would be curious to see a similar one. However I admit that it has no clear beak so that it may not depict Garuda.
Regards

Hum, it may be a singa bersayap after all.

Gustav · 29th November 2023, 09:25 PM

Ability to learn new things so quickly is a fantastic gift.

This isn't meant ironically.

A. G. Maisey · 29th November 2023, 09:54 PM

Jean, there are singa carvings, paintings, statues all over Bali, lots in Jawa too.

There is no standard.

The representation varies from place to place, artist to artist, purpose to purpose, material to material, time to time.

I really don't know how many singa images I've seen, but it would certainly run into the thousands. I don't photograph every singa I see, in fact they are so commonplace that sometimes you don't even notice them until you actually look.

Its sort of a bit like vintage motor vehicles in some other societies:- lots & lots of them around, here in Oz you could walk through just about any parking lot & find a vintage vehicle, but unless you're really, really interested in vintage vehicles, you take note as you walk past, & then forget it until somebody asks you what the logo for a Holden (Australia's Chev) is.

Guess what that Holden logo is?

Yep, its a Singa.

Anyway, here is a line up of a few singas that I've dragged out of my photo files. All these singas are Balinese of various ages.

A. G. Maisey · 29th November 2023, 09:58 PM

And this happy looking bloke is their great, great grandfather from many generations past, he is on guard duty at Borobudur in Central Jawa, he was born in about the 8th or 9th century.

JustYS · 29th November 2023, 10:00 PM

Another one that perhaps resemble the most with the Singa in the Keris under discussion except without wings.

A. G. Maisey · 30th November 2023, 11:21 AM

When I wrote my post#5 I could not remember the name of this protector of children. I spent a lot of time looking for him, and I couldn't find him anywhere.

Today I was thinking of two doors I'm having made & how I could schedule the painting of them, in the middle of this intensely interesting train of thought about work I don't like very much, the word "Kumara" popped into my mind, and then "Rare" followed.

The name of that Balinese god of children is Rare Kumara.

I searched that name and here is a link to a thread that is perhaps useful:-

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=272573

peculiar the way the human mind works.

29th November 2023, 09:54 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	Jean, there are singa carvings, paintings, statues all over Bali, lots in Jawa too. There is no standard. The representation varies from place to place, artist to artist, purpose to purpose, material to material, time to time. I really don't know how many singa images I've seen, but it would certainly run into the thousands. I don't photograph every singa I see, in fact they are so commonplace that sometimes you don't even notice them until you actually look. Its sort of a bit like vintage motor vehicles in some other societies:- lots & lots of them around, here in Oz you could walk through just about any parking lot & find a vintage vehicle, but unless you're really, really interested in vintage vehicles, you take note as you walk past, & then forget it until somebody asks you what the logo for a Holden (Australia's Chev) is. Guess what that Holden logo is? Yep, its a Singa. Anyway, here is a line up of a few singas that I've dragged out of my photo files. All these singas are Balinese of various ages. Attached Images

29th November 2023, 09:58 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	And this happy looking bloke is their great, great grandfather from many generations past, he is on guard duty at Borobudur in Central Jawa, he was born in about the 8th or 9th century. Attached Images

29th November 2023, 09:25 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Ability to learn new things so quickly is a fantastic gift. This isn't meant ironically.

29th November 2023, 10:00 PM	#5
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 145	Another one that perhaps resemble the most with the Singa in the Keris under discussion except without wings. Attached Images

30th November 2023, 11:21 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	When I wrote my post#5 I could not remember the name of this protector of children. I spent a lot of time looking for him, and I couldn't find him anywhere. Today I was thinking of two doors I'm having made & how I could schedule the painting of them, in the middle of this intensely interesting train of thought about work I don't like very much, the word "Kumara" popped into my mind, and then "Rare" followed. The name of that Balinese god of children is Rare Kumara. I searched that name and here is a link to a thread that is perhaps useful:- http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=272573 peculiar the way the human mind works.