Keris Identification please

jagabuwana · 20th October 2023, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes Jaga, a lot, but not all of these "enhancements" to older keris are simply to make an old, unattractive, difficult to sell blade more marketable.

But this "batik" thing they used to do although it might have had a plus effect 80 or 100 years ago, has a minus effect now. I've seen a very, very few that have been well done and really have looked pretty good, but most have been outright ugly.

I'd put money on it, that if this blade had been left alone and not fiddled with, its market value now would be 20 times what it is in its present condition.

It will still be 100% visible after a blade stain, but honestly, I would not waste time or money on this blade.

Thank you Alan.

I agree that it's market value now would be decent had it not been fiddled. There seems to be a healthy appetite to pay good money for blades with 'older' classifications like Paja and its variants.

A. G. Maisey · 20th October 2023, 03:36 AM

Yes, you're right Jaga, & often that enthusiasm for attributed age is misdirected. Leaving to one side the archaic kerises, like KB's, the value of other keris depends on much more than just age, quality & condition are extremely important.

jagabuwana · 20th October 2023, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, you're right Jaga, & often that enthusiasm for attributed age is misdirected. Leaving to one side the archaic kerises, like KB's, the value of other keris depends on much more than just age, quality & condition are extremely important.

Yes I understand, Alan. My observation is that the enthusiasm seems to be because old is associated with being more authentic than more recent productions, or having more power. At least that's how I used to think when I was very new to all of this.

Sadly I think this works all too well for dealers without scruples.

milandro · 20th October 2023, 08:04 AM

we spoke about this often

there are many traders whom deal with artificially aged or otherwise tampered with krises and , of course, there are many buyers prepared to pay for stuff which is looking corroded or shows " age" .

I've seen krises advertised as being from the 12th century

and of course the same (or other) krises are also sold to be laden with immense powers (as long as this add to the price)

Much depends on what one attributes to the kris and the reason why one " collects" (for lack of a better word).

20th October 2023, 03:36 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	Yes, you're right Jaga, & often that enthusiasm for attributed age is misdirected. Leaving to one side the archaic kerises, like KB's, the value of other keris depends on much more than just age, quality & condition are extremely important.

20th October 2023, 08:04 AM	#4
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 487	we spoke about this often there are many traders whom deal with artificially aged or otherwise tampered with krises and , of course, there are many buyers prepared to pay for stuff which is looking corroded or shows " age" . I've seen krises advertised as being from the 12th century and of course the same (or other) krises are also sold to be laden with immense powers (as long as this add to the price) Much depends on what one attributes to the kris and the reason why one " collects" (for lack of a better word).