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Old 17th October 2023, 10:18 PM   #1
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Is there a number anywhere? IIRC, Wilkinson did keep records which may still be available.
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Old 18th October 2023, 01:59 PM   #2
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this thread got me curious and I was researching the matter of Turkish blades fitten on to western swords.

Found a few auctions (completed) where, for example , and Italian maker had fitted a Turkish blade (not looking like yours ) onto a similar type of sabre , my guess is that when we find someone able to read the cartouche, it will read either the name of the maker or it would say something traditional or perhaps even religious
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Old 18th October 2023, 03:02 PM   #3
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Is that a fuller running across the blade?
I have my doubts regarding the blade and age of koftgari(?) on it.
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Old 18th October 2023, 03:06 PM   #4
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I don't see any fuller, it may be a trick of the eye due to reflection.

What makes you think that the blade is not contemporary to the sabre? Mounting a new blade onto this would have been a very tricky thing to do and would have certainly left noticeable marks
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Old 18th October 2023, 03:37 PM   #5
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I recognize a fuller at the blade section with koftgari through a reflection, and I see a similar reflection further down the blade.

More pics of the blade could help.
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Old 18th October 2023, 09:56 PM   #6
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This is a nice example of the standard M1827 sword for Royal British naval officers, which remained in use through the 19th c. into the 20th. The more modern examples have much lighter blades as introduced in 1929.

It seems the blade likely is with Ottoman affectation and gilt with inscription probably for a naval officer perhaps affiliated with the Royal Naval base at Aden, in Arabia. This was an active naval port and entrepot charged with control of Aden to the Hadhramaut to the east in Yemen. This port and station became key after the opening of the Suez canal in 1869, and remained so until 1960s.

Wilkinson was of course a London maker specializing in officers swords which were indeed serial numbered, but also supplied these to military outfitters, which often existed in these colonial outposts. As Aden was officially part of the Bombay Presidency, such an outfitter may have been in Bombay, or indeed in Aden, whichever the case, the Ottoman presence and influence was at hand.

British officers in colonial regions often adopted influences of the local cultures in arms and fashion, so this kind of cross diffusion is not unusual.
In India there were Indian hilts on British blades, and sometimes vice versa.
There is also the possibility of this sword being intended as a diplomatic gift.
This blade is British and certainly not Ottoman nor Indian, and there is no reason to think it is not homogenous to this sword.
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Old 18th October 2023, 10:13 PM   #7
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It seems the blade likely is with Ottoman affectation and gilt with inscription probably for a naval officer perhaps affiliated with the Royal Naval base at Aden, in Arabia. This was an active naval port and entrepot charged with control of Aden to the Hadhramaut to the east in Yemen. This port and station became key after the opening of the Suez canal in 1869, and remained so until 1960s.

Wilkinson was of course a London maker specializing in officers swords which were indeed serial numbered, but also supplied these to military outfitters, which often existed in these colonial outposts. As Aden was officially part of the Bombay Presidency, such an outfitter may have been in Bombay, or indeed in Aden, whichever the case, the Ottoman presence and influence was at hand.

This blade is British and certainly not Ottoman nor Indian, and there is no reason to think it is not homogenous to this sword.
Well, the Koftgari(?) appears to claim, according to auction house, it is a work of Ustad Husayn from Tehran?

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