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10th September 2023, 10:28 PM | #1 |
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There is not a single Bosnian knife in the photograph shown.They are characteristic of the region of Θεσσαλονίκη/Thessaloniki/Солун located on the territory of present-day Greece.There, the ethnic composition of the population is so diverse that there is no way to define exactly which ethnic area the knives belong to
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11th September 2023, 05:35 PM | #2 | |
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Either a woman is pregnant or not, but there does not exist something like a little pregnant…(defining it to yet a region….) Nevertheless….I bought 2 out of 3 in Herzegovina…which is part of Bosnia now and in the past since the Kingdom of Tvurtko. Than again a lot of folks from different etnicities lived in Bosnia and Hercegovina: Vlachs, Montenegrins, Serbian, Croation, Bosnian, Turkish, Albanian, Greek, Roma, Sephardic Jewish….hence many influences did enter, were taken over into different ways of live. In a multicultural society like the Ottoman Balkans was, one must be careful to make such firm statements…. When you mention characteristics, mention them specifically and in detail, but I can assure you that there are also Austrian books on the Balkans from 1880 which mention characteristics dedicated to (perhaps) others…. Solun was not Greek but Macedonian with a first in the Balkans very heavy Sephardic population, which spread later to other countries an regions like Serbia, Dalmatia, BiH and so on ….. I can only claim where I did buy the knife… Last edited by gp; 11th September 2023 at 05:48 PM. |
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11th September 2023, 09:15 PM | #3 | |
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Look...I have no desire to argue. You can believe whatever you want. The very fact that you claim that Thessalonica was Macedonian is indicative of your knowledge of history to me. In my humble opinion, the knives you have shown are not typical Bosnian knives. |
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12th September 2023, 11:40 PM | #4 | |
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Kindly requested to provide me the characteristics of your determination as I am most eager to learn from your wisdom and also the literature where I can find this to add that / enlarge my small collection of books... |
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12th September 2023, 11:59 PM | #5 |
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Ethnic attributions can be tricky and loaded with potential controversy. Geographically, I have seen a mention of "солунски ножове" (Thessalonica knives) in Bulgarian literature, and seems to refer to small knives with bone hilts with the solar decorative motive, like the second one from top to bottom on your stand.
Yours came from Herzegovina, which may mean that it was made there or it may mean that it simply ended up there at one point after being made elsewhere. I cannot claim anything conclusively, but I believe Osobist may be on to something in this case. |
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13th September 2023, 01:48 PM | #7 | |
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( except the fancy decorated ones, specially golden and belonging to the wealthy aga's or aristocrats and rich landowners). In the Balkans ( Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Montengro) the last 10 years quite interesting publications and books have been published ! The hilt or grip looks like Balkan and can be seen on a lot of bichaqs but sadly seems to miss its ferrule like you can see here : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=bichaq or in my collection http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ion#post283727 But as for the blade, narrow and long, I can not say for sure as I have not seen this type that often; mostly at auction houses with fancy or strange description of origin...sometimes even as an African dagger :-) being doubtful, I never touched them... The type of scabbard I have seen some similar ones in Montenegrin ones but also Greek cold arms but that is a region I have limited knowledge on. This specific one; although a nice scabbard, the knife looks incomplete to me (ferrule f.i.) , and hence I would not have it in my collection, no disrespect nor offence intended at all... Last edited by gp; 13th September 2023 at 02:04 PM. |
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13th September 2023, 09:35 PM | #8 | |
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Regarding my knife...don't worry at all, you're not the only one who can't identify it. I have an affinity for mysterious objects Just wanted to illustrate that the obvious isn't always obvious |
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