Borneo knife, lading cara arab?

Klop · 20th July 2023, 07:11 PM

I had to google the term okir but I see what you mean, thanks.

Amuk Murugul · 20th July 2023, 11:32 PM

- djambia Bandjar
- lading cara arab=Arab-style knife

Klop · 21st July 2023, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

- djambia Bandjar
- lading cara arab=Arab-style knife

Terima kasih

asomotif · 29th July 2023, 12:16 AM

Hello Eric,

That is a nice one.
The hilt shape and the decoration are very unique. I have not seen that before.

Klop · 29th July 2023, 04:12 PM

Hi Willem,

thanks, me neither. The end of the hilt is also worked by the way, previous pics didn't show that.

Kind regards, Eric.

Rafngard · 29th July 2023, 05:23 PM

Going along with what Jose said about the carving son the blade, the carving on the end of the hilt looks more than a little Moro to me.
I believe a number of Moros have ended up in Borneo, right?
Maybe a little influence?

Have fun,
Leif

kai · 29th July 2023, 06:48 PM

Nice knife, Eric!

This clearly is from Negara with its major melting pot Banjarmasin: The engravings exhibit strong Malay influence and especially the carved hilt and scabbard are typical for short blades from that area.

BTW, "lading cara arab" is most likely just a description (given by a local to an inquisitive colonial officer) rather than a real name utilized within the culture for the piece shown in Schmeltz/AvZ. If anyone insists that this shall refer to a specific type of knife/dagger, I have to admit that I also fail to see a close relationship between the blade shown in Schmeltz/AvZ and Eric's piece; the scabbard construction is very different and the hilt with hardly more than similar overall shape.

While there evidently was contact via trade (and probably exchanges of gifts between rulers), I fail to see any evidence for Moro influences or even origins for this knife.

Regards,
Kai

20th July 2023, 11:32 PM	#2
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	- djambia Bandjar - lading cara arab=Arab-style knife Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 21st July 2023 at 03:52 AM.

29th July 2023, 04:12 PM	#5
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	Hi Willem, thanks, me neither. The end of the hilt is also worked by the way, previous pics didn't show that. Kind regards, Eric. Attached Images

20th July 2023, 07:11 PM	#1
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	I had to google the term okir but I see what you mean, thanks.

29th July 2023, 12:16 AM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Hello Eric, That is a nice one. The hilt shape and the decoration are very unique. I have not seen that before.

29th July 2023, 05:23 PM	#6
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 347	Going along with what Jose said about the carving son the blade, the carving on the end of the hilt looks more than a little Moro to me. I believe a number of Moros have ended up in Borneo, right? Maybe a little influence? Have fun, Leif

29th July 2023, 06:48 PM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Nice knife, Eric! This clearly is from Negara with its major melting pot Banjarmasin: The engravings exhibit strong Malay influence and especially the carved hilt and scabbard are typical for short blades from that area. BTW, "lading cara arab" is most likely just a description (given by a local to an inquisitive colonial officer) rather than a real name utilized within the culture for the piece shown in Schmeltz/AvZ. If anyone insists that this shall refer to a specific type of knife/dagger, I have to admit that I also fail to see a close relationship between the blade shown in Schmeltz/AvZ and Eric's piece; the scabbard construction is very different and the hilt with hardly more than similar overall shape. While there evidently was contact via trade (and probably exchanges of gifts between rulers), I fail to see any evidence for Moro influences or even origins for this knife. Regards, Kai