Is it a keris handle and when yes from where?

[Sajen]

Here the hilt from Hales!

[Gustav]

Detlef,

I think I know the other hilt Hales mentions. Interestingly, the Pendokok on his example annd the Selut on yours isn't much like something from Sumbawa.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Interestingly, the Pendokok on his example annd the Selut on yours isn't much like something from Sumbawa.

Thank you Gustav,

I have the same thoughts regarding the pendokok and selut. But both don't look original to the hilts IMHO. Can you share where the other example belongs to?

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

BTW, the hilt in question looks like hippo ivory to my eyes.

[A. G. Maisey]

I do not really understand what is meant by "--- of this type---".

Over the years I have seen & owned keris hilts of this type, but not of the same execution nor material, as the ones shown here.

I am not able to offer a supportable opinion on geographic location of origin.

Is it a keris hilt?

I think probably yes, reason being that I have seen others like it, but as I have said, not the same execution.

It is probably not possible to give a solid opinion on whether or not this hilt was intended as a keris hilt unless one could actually have it in hand and form an opinion on whether or not it works as a keris hilt. It might be a hilt intended for, or adapted for use as, something else.

Are there any patterns of wear visible?

[Gustav]

Detlef,

I am sorry, I can not reach my references for some time now.

[Gavin Nugent]

Puzzling pieces indeed. Is it a precursor to the Hulu Burung Serindi as it is known today?

I have seen the type noted as simply as Hulu Burung too and that the Hulu Burung Serindi is a more modern reference to the type.... typically noted as being from East coast Peninsular but also reputed to be seen the Perlis region.

I see some of the art pointing to peninsular but predates known interpretations of the form...

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I do not really understand what is meant by "--- of this type---".

I believe that "of this type" might refer to the fact that the two examples shown here are figures that include human arms and legs. These hilts show this figure in a position which could be interpreted as an "ancestor position". Hulu Burung Serindit generally don't seem to include these human attributes, as seen in the attached photo.

[Gustav]

This is a state Keris from Sumbawa, in Museum Pusat. I am not completely sure, but I think a Keris with a hilt quite close to this one belonged to the Nusantara Museum in Delft.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

I believe that "of this type" might refer to the fact that the two examples shown here are figures that include human arms and legs. These hilts show this figure in a position which could be interpreted as an "ancestor position". Hulu Burung Serindit generally don't seem to include these human attributes, as seen in the attached photo.

Agree with you David!