Keris malela in Bujangga Manik

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2023, 11:41 AM

Yes Jean, of course.

I sometimes do get a little bit too focused on Jawa/Bali.

Luwu was a major producer & exporter of nickel/iron, and was producing this from very early times --- & still is. Hardjonegoro gave me some Luwu nickel, but I never got around to using it.

There have been some quite informative archeological investigations of work sites carried out in South Sulawesi, especially around Lake Matano & Katue, I think some of the Kutue sites date back to the first millenium.

You're right Jean, I should stop & think for a moment before extending my Jawa focused thoughts into other places.

So we can just delete my off the cuff comment, & I thank you Jean for waking me up.

However, from memory, I think that those South Sulawesi smelts produced iron/nickel alloy, cannot recall if there was any evidence of pure iron smelting. I think they were smelting from laterite ores, so it might have been impossible to get away from the nickel inclusion.

EDIT

There was a big project a while back that looked closely at this matter, I'm pretty sure it was called the "OXIS Project" and a very good paper was written on it by a Misol Do, I have a copy of the paper but i cannot find it on the net, I'm sure somebody with more time than I have could locate it.

David · 6th March 2023, 12:52 PM

Is this what you were looking for Alan?
https://www.oxis.org/theses/misol-2103.pdf

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2023, 08:16 PM

Yeah, that's the one.

There was another one I think that was organised by some Australian academics. I've totally forgotten the details.

rasdan · 7th March 2023, 02:38 AM

G'day Alan,

Perhaps this is the other one? It was written by Dr. David Bulbeck of ANU.

https://oxis.org/downloads/land-of-iron.pdf

A. G. Maisey · 7th March 2023, 03:55 AM

Thanks Rasdan, yep, that's it.

In fact I've got a copy of this paper in my computer too, but I'd forgotten the title & details.

I tend to run a lot on memory, and these days my memory is not all that great, I remember some things well enough, other things I partially remember, the folder I keep these papers in is about 6gb - 7gb & its not really well organised.

If I'm actually working on something I survive OK, but if the matter is peripheral, I often do not remember much at all.

rasdan · 7th March 2023, 11:41 AM

No worries Alan. I have the same problem. I have been "collecting" online references on keris for several years now and most of them are scattered all over my hard drive I can't even locate them.

A. G. Maisey · 7th March 2023, 06:40 PM

Well, at least my stuff is all in one folder, but then I've got the half dozen drawers in filing cabinets that are full of hardcopy stuff.

We might not be all that far off the time when we will have chips implanted at birth that will enable direct communication through brain waves with our computers, or maybe the computers will be implanted at birth. Probably another 1000 years or so, not long in the total context.

Or better still, re-wire the brain.

6th March 2023, 11:41 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes Jean, of course. I sometimes do get a little bit too focused on Jawa/Bali. Luwu was a major producer & exporter of nickel/iron, and was producing this from very early times --- & still is. Hardjonegoro gave me some Luwu nickel, but I never got around to using it. There have been some quite informative archeological investigations of work sites carried out in South Sulawesi, especially around Lake Matano & Katue, I think some of the Kutue sites date back to the first millenium. You're right Jean, I should stop & think for a moment before extending my Jawa focused thoughts into other places. So we can just delete my off the cuff comment, & I thank you Jean for waking me up. However, from memory, I think that those South Sulawesi smelts produced iron/nickel alloy, cannot recall if there was any evidence of pure iron smelting. I think they were smelting from laterite ores, so it might have been impossible to get away from the nickel inclusion. EDIT There was a big project a while back that looked closely at this matter, I'm pretty sure it was called the "OXIS Project" and a very good paper was written on it by a Misol Do, I have a copy of the paper but i cannot find it on the net, I'm sure somebody with more time than I have could locate it. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 6th March 2023 at 12:03 PM. Reason: additional info

6th March 2023, 12:52 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Is this what you were looking for Alan? https://www.oxis.org/theses/misol-2103.pdf

6th March 2023, 08:16 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yeah, that's the one. There was another one I think that was organised by some Australian academics. I've totally forgotten the details.

7th March 2023, 02:38 AM	#4
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	G'day Alan, Perhaps this is the other one? It was written by Dr. David Bulbeck of ANU. https://oxis.org/downloads/land-of-iron.pdf

7th March 2023, 03:55 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks Rasdan, yep, that's it. In fact I've got a copy of this paper in my computer too, but I'd forgotten the title & details. I tend to run a lot on memory, and these days my memory is not all that great, I remember some things well enough, other things I partially remember, the folder I keep these papers in is about 6gb - 7gb & its not really well organised. If I'm actually working on something I survive OK, but if the matter is peripheral, I often do not remember much at all.

7th March 2023, 11:41 AM	#6
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	No worries Alan. I have the same problem. I have been "collecting" online references on keris for several years now and most of them are scattered all over my hard drive I can't even locate them.

7th March 2023, 06:40 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Well, at least my stuff is all in one folder, but then I've got the half dozen drawers in filing cabinets that are full of hardcopy stuff. We might not be all that far off the time when we will have chips implanted at birth that will enable direct communication through brain waves with our computers, or maybe the computers will be implanted at birth. Probably another 1000 years or so, not long in the total context. Or better still, re-wire the brain.