Do you think this is a genuine 1600 AD Knight's sword??

katana · 19th June 2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Blalock

This is a very controversial seller, aka EFTIS. He has had a number of miraculous medieval and viking swords for sale, all reported to have been excavated. By the way, here is another remarkable Viking Sword:

Ebay 7422232122

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Vikings on Camels...

I thought camels are know as 'ships of the desert'.......must have mis-heard.....it obviously must be 'longships of the desert'........

S.Al-Anizi · 19th June 2006, 12:43 PM

However, he did have some credible stuff to sell:

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-INL...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIEC...QQcmdZViewItem

katana · 19th June 2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

However, he did have some credible stuff to sell:

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-INL...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIEC...QQcmdZViewItem

Is it me ? but the inlay on both swords looks very new, and seems to follow the contours of the pitted areas........later additions?
I'm still laughing about the Viking Takouba......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

S.Al-Anizi · 19th June 2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by katana

Is it me ? but the inlay on both swords looks very new, and seems to follow the contours of the pitted areas........later additions?
I'm still laughing about the Viking Takouba......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Katana, you do realise that the inlay is gold, and gold doesnt react with time.

katana · 19th June 2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

Katana, you do realise that the inlay is gold, and gold doesnt react with time.

The Crusader sword is described as having copper inlay and the Viking sword has having gold or copper inlay. Seeing that the inlays look very similar in method (not design), colour etc I assumed they were both copper.

It does strike me as odd that these two swords seperated by time and geographical factors, have similarly executed inlays, being sold by the same seller in a short space of time...

Jeff Pringle · 19th June 2006, 02:26 PM

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However, he did have some credible stuff to sell:

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-IN...QcmdZ ViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIE...Qcmd ZViewItem

From the perspective of someone who has studied Viking artifacts pretty closely over the last few years, I'd say 'credible' is a very generous term.

And he's putting a new one up every couple months, even if the stuff was more convincing, that would raise my eyebrow.

Bill M · 19th June 2006, 02:33 PM

"Very controversial seller!"

Caveat Emptor

Marc · 19th June 2006, 03:17 PM

We've been many times advised by the moderators to refrain to discuss the dealers and concentrate in the pieces. So, I'll try to do exactly that... but Caveat Emptor, indeed.

This is an European late 17th- early 18th c. sword blade, of the sometimes called "military" type, in contrast with the more slender "civil" types. Probably mounted originally in a Waloon or basket-type hilt, which makes one wonder what the heck does that kind of pommel there. Anyway, the inscription on the blade is the mar of the Giacomo (Gio) Knegt (or Kneght, or even Knetch), an Italian (at least his name seems to hint so) working in the German city of Solingen in that period. He usually signed, indeed, GIO KNEGT / IN SOLINGEN or GIO KNEGT / EN ALEMANIA, with various spelling variations. Many of his blades were aimed to the Spanish market, hence the frequent Spanish version ("EN ALEMANIA" meaning "In Germany") of his signature. I've seen many of his blades mounted in Spanish military M1728-type (what you call "Bilbo"-type) cavalry swords, covering the period mentioned.
All in all, not a bad exemplar by itself. This, of course, completely ignoring the seller's comments about its possible origin.

On a lighter note, well, the market is free, surely enough, but if someone would really be consistently ready to buy these blades for this kind of money, I know quite a few people that wouldn't hesitate a second in dismantling a good part of their collections to supply exemplars...

katana · 19th June 2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc

I know quite a few people that wouldn't hesitate a second in dismantling a good part of their collections to supply exemplars...

exemplars............dont you mean Templars

Thanks Marc, I found your post very informative.

Valjhun · 19th June 2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

Katana, you do realise that the inlay is gold, and gold doesnt react with time.

Man, I do not knwo what do you see, but to me it looks as some picasso wicca wannabe has painted thoose symbols recently. That is not gold inlaid. With that ammount of rust, the original gold inlad would be history by now.

Mark, thank you verry much for your verry interesting post!

Lew · 19th June 2006, 05:48 PM

This sword blade is circa 1690-1700 it has very similar marks to the blade on my kaskara? Hey maybe Cromwell carried my kaskara into battle

I'm rich lol

Lew

katana · 19th June 2006, 06:32 PM

Lew, thats a very nice Kaskara.....

Michael Blalock · 19th June 2006, 06:36 PM

Not to keep harping on the implausibility of the blade being as old as described, but could a ferrous sword have actually been at the bottom of the Danube river for hundreds of years as described and not rust away?

Valjhun · 19th June 2006, 01:07 PM

I will not comment that seller.

However thatone looks verry verry well. Well I guest that it was real, but I think it still overpriced. That is not a 10.000$ crusader era sword, but rather a 17th century piece, slightly bigger than thoose landknechts schwerte. Nice piece, however certainly not a bargain missing its quillons.

Another thing, the crazy appraisals from that seller are taken out from Christie's auction catalogues for the year 2020...

The viking variant of the tokuba is just gorgeus! The essential piece for desert boardings.

look at the price

, the rightfull reserve hasn't been met thou

19th June 2006, 05:48 PM	#11
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	This sword blade is circa 1690-1700 it has very similar marks to the blade on my kaskara? Hey maybe Cromwell carried my kaskara into battle I'm rich lol Lew Attached Images Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 19th June 2006 at 05:59 PM.

19th June 2006, 12:43 PM	#2
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	However, he did have some credible stuff to sell: http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-UNIQUE-INL...QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/EFTIS-MASTERPIEC...QQcmdZViewItem

19th June 2006, 02:33 PM	#7
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	"Very controversial seller!" Caveat Emptor

19th June 2006, 03:17 PM	#8
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	We've been many times advised by the moderators to refrain to discuss the dealers and concentrate in the pieces. So, I'll try to do exactly that... but Caveat Emptor, indeed. This is an European late 17th- early 18th c. sword blade, of the sometimes called "military" type, in contrast with the more slender "civil" types. Probably mounted originally in a Waloon or basket-type hilt, which makes one wonder what the heck does that kind of pommel there. Anyway, the inscription on the blade is the mar of the Giacomo (Gio) Knegt (or Kneght, or even Knetch), an Italian (at least his name seems to hint so) working in the German city of Solingen in that period. He usually signed, indeed, GIO KNEGT / IN SOLINGEN or GIO KNEGT / EN ALEMANIA, with various spelling variations. Many of his blades were aimed to the Spanish market, hence the frequent Spanish version ("EN ALEMANIA" meaning "In Germany") of his signature. I've seen many of his blades mounted in Spanish military M1728-type (what you call "Bilbo"-type) cavalry swords, covering the period mentioned. All in all, not a bad exemplar by itself. This, of course, completely ignoring the seller's comments about its possible origin. On a lighter note, well, the market is free, surely enough, but if someone would really be consistently ready to buy these blades for this kind of money, I know quite a few people that wouldn't hesitate a second in dismantling a good part of their collections to supply exemplars...

19th June 2006, 06:32 PM	#12
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Lew, thats a very nice Kaskara.....

19th June 2006, 06:36 PM	#13
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	Not to keep harping on the implausibility of the blade being as old as described, but could a ferrous sword have actually been at the bottom of the Danube river for hundreds of years as described and not rust away?

19th June 2006, 01:07 PM	#14
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I will not comment that seller. However thatone looks verry verry well. Well I guest that it was real, but I think it still overpriced. That is not a 10.000$ crusader era sword, but rather a 17th century piece, slightly bigger than thoose landknechts schwerte. Nice piece, however certainly not a bargain missing its quillons. Another thing, the crazy appraisals from that seller are taken out from Christie's auction catalogues for the year 2020... The viking variant of the tokuba is just gorgeus! The essential piece for desert boardings. look at the price , the rightfull reserve hasn't been met thou