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Old 11th October 2022, 01:20 AM   #1
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Assuming it's not literally the same sword, this one (pic 1) looks quite similar. Description on tumblr: "A rare Laz Bichaq, Black Sea area, ca. 1877, from Oriental Arms."

EDIT: And added what seems to be another one (pics 2-6) from that site:

There is of course remarkable similarity in a number of these, these are not 'one off'. Artzi's descriptions have always been remarkably accurate and insightful, so very reliable. When Gerhard Seifert described these in 1962 ("Schwert Degen Sabel") he drew a certain comparison to the Kabyle flyssa from Algeria due to the deep bellied blade and needle point but only at applying degree of similarity.

It is odd that the flyssa had similar span of presence, seeming to have begun appearance in Kabylia around early 1800s (first record noted c. 1827) and also seems to have waned after 1870s as far as the form most familiar. Basically while not really connected, both have similarities and both are 19th century forms.
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Old 11th October 2022, 01:52 AM   #2
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Here are pics of the example I have with purple velveteen scabbard.
The pages from Seifert (1962)
The plate from "A Magyar Faji Vandor", J. Vichy. Budapest, 1897
As noted in "Origins of the Shashka" (Jacobsen & Triikman, 1941)
One of these variations with closer cleft pommel rather than 'horned', and pics of one with the distinct style scabbard.
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