the green tomahawk of the Rogers Rangers?

ausjulius · 14th August 2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

Hi everyone, I just picked this up today, won it at a local auction, I think it could be as old as 18c, i think it may be called a belt axe or a hammer pole axe, I cant find any markings on the rusted axe head, it has also been painted at one point, a green almost blue color, quick search into the possibility of the color being significant turned out to be interesting. I acquired it in PEI Canada.
anybody with knowledge on the subject to share? thanks

its a modern carpenters hatchet probably post ww2.. older once are more fancy and a more complex consturciton in the head ther eis for example on the old handforged ones some style to the bevelling of the surfaces .. especially unde rthe beard of the axe. older ones have larger cheeks on the eye that extend down somewhat below the socket

JoeCanada42 · 14th August 2022, 12:42 PM

Cool stuff folks, Nice axe David, and thanks also to the moderators, I am learning quite a bit,
What a coincidence I just found something else very interesting.
at the garage sale I was told it was a black smiths tool for removing scale.
I am not so Shure.., the seller is not a blacksmith,

If it is something of interest, I could bring it to work to have better quality photos taken.

CutlassCollector · 14th August 2022, 02:07 PM

It certainly roughly resembles a modern welder's hammer, used for chipping the slag off after a weld, so could well be an older blacksmith tool.

Although concentrated on N. America this site is very good for photographs, information and how to spot fakes and is well worth a look. It shows axes going back to the 1700's. There are pipe tomahawks as well but the trade axe pages are very good.

https://www.furtradetomahawks.com

David R. I remember the previous thread on your axe - amazing that you still used it and it took an edge after a century or two! I guess that confirms the steel bit insert with the rest iron. Is it just the photograph or does the darker colour at the blade edge indicate the steel section?

Axes are often faked using modern ones as a base. There are lots of fire axes out there masquerading as naval boarding axes! That's why I think the post 1900 catalogues that Interested Party posted are useful and Fernando was right to allow them.

Regards CC

David R · 14th August 2022, 09:54 PM

David R. I remember the previous thread on your axe - amazing that you still used it and it took an edge after a century or two! I guess that confirms the steel bit insert with the rest iron. Is it just the photograph or does the darker colour at the blade edge indicate the steel section

Regards CC[/QUOTE]

It took a fantastic edge, and cut like nothing else I had ever used.Sad to retire it in a way, but I retired myself at the same time due to age and infirmity! "Does the darker colour at the blade edge indicate the steel section" probably.

JoeCanada42 · 15th August 2022, 11:51 PM

thanks cutlass collector now that I search for chipping hammer I find similar examples, seems its more for welding then blacksmithing.
thanks to everyone for helping satisfy my curiosity on these pieces.
and thanks for that link to fur trade axes/pipes, doubt ill ever find something as recognizable as a pipe tomahak, but now I have a better idea what the axes look like I hope one may turn up.

14th August 2022, 12:42 PM	#2
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	Cool stuff folks, Nice axe David, and thanks also to the moderators, I am learning quite a bit, What a coincidence I just found something else very interesting. at the garage sale I was told it was a black smiths tool for removing scale. I am not so Shure.., the seller is not a blacksmith, If it is something of interest, I could bring it to work to have better quality photos taken. Attached Images

14th August 2022, 02:07 PM	#3
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 355	It certainly roughly resembles a modern welder's hammer, used for chipping the slag off after a weld, so could well be an older blacksmith tool. Although concentrated on N. America this site is very good for photographs, information and how to spot fakes and is well worth a look. It shows axes going back to the 1700's. There are pipe tomahawks as well but the trade axe pages are very good. https://www.furtradetomahawks.com David R. I remember the previous thread on your axe - amazing that you still used it and it took an edge after a century or two! I guess that confirms the steel bit insert with the rest iron. Is it just the photograph or does the darker colour at the blade edge indicate the steel section? Axes are often faked using modern ones as a base. There are lots of fire axes out there masquerading as naval boarding axes! That's why I think the post 1900 catalogues that Interested Party posted are useful and Fernando was right to allow them. Regards CC

14th August 2022, 09:54 PM	#4
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,120	David R. I remember the previous thread on your axe - amazing that you still used it and it took an edge after a century or two! I guess that confirms the steel bit insert with the rest iron. Is it just the photograph or does the darker colour at the blade edge indicate the steel section Regards CC[/QUOTE] It took a fantastic edge, and cut like nothing else I had ever used.Sad to retire it in a way, but I retired myself at the same time due to age and infirmity! "Does the darker colour at the blade edge indicate the steel section" probably.

15th August 2022, 11:51 PM	#5
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	thanks cutlass collector now that I search for chipping hammer I find similar examples, seems its more for welding then blacksmithing. thanks to everyone for helping satisfy my curiosity on these pieces. and thanks for that link to fur trade axes/pipes, doubt ill ever find something as recognizable as a pipe tomahak, but now I have a better idea what the axes look like I hope one may turn up.