Kaskra translation please?

Tim Simmons · 13th June 2006, 07:07 PM

I forgot to ask, what does the other side of the blade say?

S.Al-Anizi · 13th June 2006, 10:16 PM

I cant really read it, I need a larger/closer pic.

Rick · 13th June 2006, 11:01 PM

Looks like there's a lot of repeated forms in the central panel .

Tweaked the image a bit..

Tim Simmons · 13th June 2006, 11:21 PM

Sorry fellows I did not make myself clear.

Is it the two sides near the hilt that make up - Al-Khartoum Sanat 1298??

The central panels and the rest of the thuluth are I think rather too stylised to make sense unless you are a specialist scholar. Though I do wonder if it is just decoration based on script, playing on the observers lack of literacy, to appear learned and carry authority.

S.Al-Anizi · 14th June 2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Sorry fellows I did not make myself clear.

Is it the two sides near the hilt that make up - Al-Khartoum Sanat 1298??

The central panels and the rest of the thuluth are I think rather too stylised to make sense unless you are a specialist scholar. Though I do wonder if it is just decoration based on script, playing on the observers lack of literacy, to appear learned and carry authority.

No Tim, the side which you thought is to read "in the name of god....." is the side that says "Al-Khartoum Sanat 1298", I need a better pic of the other side of the forte to be able to read whats there.

Tim Simmons · 14th June 2006, 08:08 AM

Thanks S. Al-Anizi.

Fingers crossed and with great anticipation you will be able to read this, enough to know the last letters?

It is fasinating and maddening at the same time, not being able to read Aribic.
I really am greatful for your help.

Thanks Tim.

Tim Simmons · 14th June 2006, 11:33 AM

What is "Sanat"? It is not a place. I have been searching Islamic terms and the nearest comparison I have found is-

Sunnat or Mustahab means recommendable, desirable. The acts whose neglect is not punished, but whose performance is rewarded, e.g., the call for prayers (adhan).

Is sanat and sunnat the same thing in this case, a regional pronunciation or old spelling.

I can understand Al-Khartoum sunnat 1298, meaning -The Khartoum call to prayers 1881. Was this a festival held in Khartuoum or something more ambiguous? Or am I making it up as I go along?

S.Al-Anizi · 14th June 2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Looks like there's a lot of repeated forms in the central panel .

Tweaked the image a bit..

What I see here seems to be no more than scribbles, I cant make anything out. Maybe someone else can?

13th June 2006, 11:01 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Looks like there's a lot of repeated forms in the central panel . Tweaked the image a bit.. Attached Images

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Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Thanks S. Al-Anizi. Fingers crossed and with great anticipation you will be able to read this, enough to know the last letters? It is fasinating and maddening at the same time, not being able to read Aribic. I really am greatful for your help. Thanks Tim. Attached Images

13th June 2006, 07:07 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I forgot to ask, what does the other side of the blade say?

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S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	I cant really read it, I need a larger/closer pic.

13th June 2006, 11:21 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Sorry fellows I did not make myself clear. Is it the two sides near the hilt that make up - Al-Khartoum Sanat 1298?? The central panels and the rest of the thuluth are I think rather too stylised to make sense unless you are a specialist scholar. Though I do wonder if it is just decoration based on script, playing on the observers lack of literacy, to appear learned and carry authority.

14th June 2006, 11:33 AM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	What is "Sanat"? It is not a place. I have been searching Islamic terms and the nearest comparison I have found is- Sunnat or Mustahab means recommendable, desirable. The acts whose neglect is not punished, but whose performance is rewarded, e.g., the call for prayers (adhan). Is sanat and sunnat the same thing in this case, a regional pronunciation or old spelling. I can understand Al-Khartoum sunnat 1298, meaning -The Khartoum call to prayers 1881. Was this a festival held in Khartuoum or something more ambiguous? Or am I making it up as I go along?